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Offline kermitthefrog3

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Empire Knights
« on: June 14, 2009, 11:27:32 AM »
A qutoe from WD

Knightly Orders

"Knights of the Empire are rightly feared as some of the best Shock Cavalry in the game."

I'm sorry, but when do people EVER use Empire knights to charge anything.

People only seem to take them to fill up core choices because they dont die very much. I seem to be one of the last people on earth who uses an IC unit with a WP, even then theyre very expensive are are still lacking.

Give us a Proper Shock Knight Unit.

List IC knights as a separate special choice at WS5 and STR 4, ITP and give thier horses STR 4 on the charge, instead of giving the knights an extra attack.

This sounds like a lot, but Dark Elf Cold one Knights get WS5, STR 4, hatred, Fear and STR 4 hatred mounts all for 27points, the only disadvantages they have are Stupidity at LD9 and a 2+ SV.

On this basis, Price IC knights at about 31 points
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Offline Obi

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 04:20:06 PM »
I charge a lot with my knights. Just park 'em in a flank of an already engaged unit and enjoy the fun!

We're HUMANS. H-U-M-A-N-S. We shouldn't get sicko stats. But our knights can kick some ares, put you'd be putting your eggs in one basket: 9 IC with a GM, WP and BSB.
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Offline Lord Maurice Thayer

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 02:56:14 PM »
properly sized a unit of knights (with a character) can charge and break a unit... a little point expensive, maybe for an empire army, but they arent that different from bretonnian knights (stat wise), you just need to have the right formation and target...
try 11 knights with full cmd and 1 captain, line them up in a 6x2 and dont forget your battle banner, the 10 attacks (or more depending on cpt's magic items) and 3 CR you will get for rank, banner and magic banner should be enough to break most units on a charge...
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Well if the empire is gonna get all those upgrades you want, then my gobbos want S4, T4, and A2... that would be as balanced as your new halberds and other rules...

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Offline Mr.Carloff

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 07:50:44 PM »
Quote from: Lord Maurice Thayer on June 15, 2009, 02:56:14 PM
properly sized a unit of knights (with a character) can charge and break a unit... a little point expensive, maybe for an empire army, but they arent that different from bretonnian knights (stat wise), you just need to have the right formation and target...
try 11 knights with full cmd and 1 captain, line them up in a 6x2 and dont forget your battle banner, the 10 attacks (or more depending on cpt's magic items) and 3 CR you will get for rank, banner and magic banner should be enough to break most units on a charge...

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War Banner [25]
Preceptor @ [16] Pts

Captain @ 112 Pts
     Barding; Full Plate Armor; Warhorse
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Total Army Cost: 430

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Offline Finlay

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 10:34:16 PM »
my 6 IC knights and warrior priest broke a halberd unit charging them in the front.
Not sure if that says more about IC knights or Halberds...
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Offline Obi

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 06:44:42 AM »
Quote from: Finlay on June 18, 2009, 10:34:16 PM
my 6 IC knights and warrior priest broke a halberd unit charging them in the front.
Not sure if that says more about IC knights or Halberds...
Luck, that's what that's about :)
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Offline commandant

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 02:45:55 PM »
my knights break units fairly often.   Knights are still a powerful unit on the charge given that they are dishing out 6 s5 attacks and if you add a warrior priest they are re rolling their to hits.   I think any upgrade would just make them overpowered.   They are perfect the way they are
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Offline Wolfgang aus Wien

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 02:55:40 PM »
First off, Knights should never be a 'core' choice in any army.
This goes completely against the very concept of what a 'Knight' is.

Second, the reason why so few people use them as the 'shock troops' they rightfully should be is because they're not so very 'shocking' against the tricked-out über-armored super-extra elite units the opposing army consists of - which are, wouldn't you know it.....'core choices'........

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Offline Derek Contyre

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 10:25:09 AM »
Why? The knight choice we do have sucks so badly they are only armoured, mobile state troops.
Our knights are used as flankers, diversionary units and at a pinch, to hold the enemy. Nothing else will justify them in any other role.

I read that part about the empire knights and couldn't help laughing for at least ten minutes. . . then I realised why i was laughing and began to cry.
The best knights in our glorious empire are ridiculed by our very own players.
*sniff*

The Empire knightly class has one thing going for them. a 1+ save.
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Offline Obi

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 05:24:22 PM »
Quote from: Derek Contyre on November 02, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
The Empire knightly class has one thing going for them. a 1+ save.
Which is very good. For the future, can you stop reviving and not adding anything constructive at all? You've been doing it quite a lot lately, and all you ever say is 'I agree.' Threadomancy is not really appreciated, as it's just plain annoying.
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Quote from: PhillyT on February 27, 2013, 12:35:14 AM
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Offline Inarticulate

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 05:37:18 PM »
How does 4 days constitute threadomancy?
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Offline Obi

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 05:43:41 PM »
Quote from: Inarticulate on November 02, 2009, 05:37:18 PM
How does 4 days constitute threadomancy?
Fine, fine, 'bad example'. Let me put it this way: reviving one four day (most of the time they're older though) old thread is okay, a little annoying, but okay. Doing that to three threads every day is just messed up.
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Quote from: PhillyT on February 27, 2013, 12:35:14 AM
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Offline Derek Contyre

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 09:34:00 PM »
ok Obi, I apologize if i was threadomancying.
I simply had nothing to do for an hour yesterday.

Any comments I make I will think about them and provide a structured and opinionated response instead of simply saying the same things over and over again.

I didn't really mean to.
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Quote from: TexasYankee on June 08, 2012, 11:19:49 PM
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Offline der Hurenwiebel

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 10:20:00 PM »
I'd like to see the knights with a + to S and WS while retaining their inner circle up grade and other weapon options.  Hell i'd even be willing to pay extra for them.

I'd also like to see the different orders get different psychology rules like hatred for  the Panthers, stubborn for the Reiks, frenzy maybe for Blazing Sun. 
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Offline Warlord

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 12:36:30 AM »
Quote from: Derek Contyre on November 02, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
ok Obi, I apologize if i was threadomancying.
I simply had nothing to do for an hour yesterday.

Any comments I make I will think about them and provide a structured and opinionated response instead of simply saying the same things over and over again.

I didn't really mean to.
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Forget it Derek. There are some areas of the forum where there is a bit less activity than others. This is one of them. 4 days does not constitute threadomancy, regardless of which board.

Obi, if you looked through the few preceding posts, you would see that commandant was the one who threadomanced this from June.
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Offline CaptScott

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Re: Empire Knights
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 02:16:59 AM »
It's still a good topic however...

I wouldn't mind knights getting a bit of a boost in line with the latest army books, however if they get too good they'd be moved to special slots, which is something I wouldn't want.  I prefer to have them available as core as they add alot more variability to army design.  And additionally our special slots are competitive as it is without adding in standard knights.

Overall I would like to see:

Core Knights +1 strength
IC Knights +1 Attack

However also consider that this would cause their price to increase, and I like my knights like I like my women, cheap and plentiful  :roll:
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