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Imperial Artisans ... The Painters, Crafters & Writers Guilds => Empire Crafts and Skills => Topic started by: ekilday on October 09, 2008, 08:17:14 PM
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I plan on making ships for my empire army and for an orc army and wondered what type of ships were used during the Renaissance?
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Well, you got the karaks and caravells, such vessels as Columbus used. And then the galleons came in the later 16th century.
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Right, maritime history isn't really my area of expertice but perhaps others can fill in and/or correct.
The first thing that should be said is that it depends of where you are. Different kinds of galleys were widely used in the Mediterranean, but not in the Baltic Sea or the Atlantic. Spain and Portugal were probably the most advanced countries when it came to naval technology at the time and had Caravels and Galleons, both of which were developed from the Carrack, which perhaps would be what one could expect that the northen German states used.
Obviously sailing has been around since pretty much forever but I don't see orcs using too advanced developments of it, if at all. Heavy galleys would seem fitting to me. Different kinds of square-rigged ships could work as well, perhaps long ships.
GW had a game for naval battles back in the day, Man O' War, might be worth checking out for inspiration.
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The fighting style of ships in the 15th-16th centuries were more along the lines of boarding then cannon bombardment. The Spanish armada in 1588 had if I remember right only two or three shots for their cannon and where planning on boarding English ships. As the 17th century got going ships started to use artillery more until you get to the battle ship in the late 1800's
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SHIPS! :smile2:
Historically, what they said. I recommend the Wickapedia article on Galleons, the one on Carracks and along the way you should encounter a link to the Mary Rose's site as well. All will provide a great overview and some good ideas.
In Warhammer terms I spent some time yesterday just browsing all the ship building articles in the B&P. There's lots. The most recent was titled Ogre ships or something like that.
Do you have a General's Compendium or the White Dwarfs that featured ship battles? Lots of pictures and how to articles.
I am currently following the Sartosa 3 campaign on Da Warpath. For Monday's ship fight featuring Da Hogwasha --
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22901&st=75&#last
I also recommend browsing through Sartosa 1 & 2 and The Grudge of Sheer campaign also featured on Da Warpath. (Dose Orcy pirates iz dead serious about dey ships.) Somewhere on Da Warpath there is also an article on building da Hogwasha. And for Empire, my friend Playtable has his ship photos at this site
http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc193/playtable/Warhammer/Ships/
If you would like to start with some or indeed most of the work already done for you, I recommend the following toys:
Playmobil's Pirate Dingy (really a galleon hull with a schooner's rig) It comes with bunches of useful bitz and is the right size for a General's Compendium medium sized ship. (Photos posted on the B&P about 2-3 weeks ago in the Ogre ship article...)
Its good to go right out of the box or you can do what I'm doing and convert, convert, convert.
Weapons and Warriors Pirate Battle Game. Comes with 2 ships, 2 dingies, 12 useable ship's guns, a tower and a bunch of other stuff. May be OOP but you can still find it on Ebay. There is an article in the B&P (with lots of photos I couldn't open) on converting them. I picked this box up years ago. The ships are small but can be converted easily into useful sizes for warhammer games. My mainstay ships until 2 weeks ago.
Mega Blocks #1017 The Black Pearl. The mother lode of Empire shipping. A Large Ship. (2'-0" long) She's a galleon so the historical look is not 100% right. BUT wonderful detail, lots of room for modeling and conversion or stick it together and play out of the box. Some parts are scaled for Mega Blocks figures but she's so nicely done that replacing the ship's wheel with one in 28mm scale was not a problem.
My friends and I caught the ship battle craze about 8-9 years ago. Got re-energized by the General's Compendium and then sailed again for the Crisis in Marienburg campaign. We've been having lots of fun, but my workspace is swamped with hulls, guns and masts. I decided to re-do all my older ships plus convert the Black Pearl. All for a battle Sunday at 1 pm.
Fair winds and calm seas matey,
js
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Making ships sounds really fun.
If you ever make some pics, pls show them to me,
i would be thrilled :icon_biggrin:
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Thanks for the inspiration. During my Cristams vacation some ships will set sail. I'm a teacher so that is when I will have time.
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Now if you want to be Fluffy in your ship choice. Grab some Man o War literature and then copy those ship designs. You'll find that those ships won't match the nicely stated history above.
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From GW's fluff Imperial ships were mainly war galleys of various sizes, utlilising oar banks and sails as dual means of propulsion. These were invariably used as platforms for various crazy war engines of doom like the hellhammer cannon and the giant Ironfist mortar. The exception was the Imperial Capital ship, the Greatship, which was essentially an extremely heavily armoured galleon.
Orc ships were largely built out of whatever the orcs could lay their hands on and were known as "hulks". Their most defining feature was a large hammer which crushed other vessels after they had been captured by the orcs grapplers.
pictures can be found at the Man O War Yahoo group here
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/theseaofclaws/ (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/theseaofclaws/)
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pictures can be found at the Man O War Yahoo group here
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/theseaofclaws/ (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/theseaofclaws/)
Boy that's a really annoying site if you have an old browser, or perhaps just if you are an old browser...
Grumble, new fangled..., mumble
When Man O' War was current I gave thought to replicating the Wolf ship, etc but that project just never got off the ground. I'm sure someone has done it, but the B&P and Da Warpath mainly follow the GC which is basically design your own sailing ship even though there are rules for galleys and steam ships.
The exception was the Imperial Capital ship, the Greatship, which was essentially an extremely heavily armoured galleon.
The Greatship was heavily armed not armored... Only the Dawi had armor. Quibble.
Its all about what you intend to do with the ships you build and who you play with. My group has used the GC since it came out (with lots of tweaks and house rules) because it was intended for use with the current (6th) rules. For yet another take on Warhammer sea fights visit Warhammer Ahoy!
Mind the shoals,
js
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I decided to re-do all my older ships plus convert the Black Pearl. All for a battle Sunday at 1 pm.
Best of luck!
I've been having a go at ship combat lately, and I can see more on the horizon with the new rules for raiding campaigns in White Dwarf.
The advice above is spot on. I bought the W&W ships and Plamobil Dinghies, and they converted very well:
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/DSC00754.jpg~original)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/DSC00455.jpg~original)
Plus, like they said, you get a lot of other bits. The PM set comes with a goodly number of chests and barrels for use as decoration or objectives.
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I will have to try that web site.
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Last Sunday I fought a huge ship battle in my friend's garage. We used the General's Compendium rules with some house rules of our own.
I got an e-mail with a link to a photobucket album of our Sunday battle. My Ostlander/Hochlander/Middenlanders would be the Pearl and the WIP mostly unpainted ship (a heavily converted W&W ship), my worthy opponent's ships would be the beautifully scratch built and fully painted ones...
The photos pick up around my turn 3 when the crippled Pearl smashed into one of his small ships in hopes of capturing it to continue the fight.
http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc193/p...%20vs%20Empire/
Our battle had one medium ship and 4 small ships on the Marienburger side. The Empire of Middenland had one large ship and one small ship. We used Crisis in Marienburg lists for 1500 pts per side. I got there at 1:45 pm and was packed to leave at 9 pm. His medium ship avoided the Pearl and boarded my City of Kurst, a small ship. The Marienburg Alliance Ship Enigma (his medium) was down to 1 hull point for the last 3 turns. (My Smashers couldn't do that final hit!) The Pearl boarded and captured one small ship and sank another. It was fighting a stubborn boarding action on another ship when the game ended (and the Pearl sank).
It was a grueling battle of attrition, with lots of cannon duels, boarding actions and sunk or abandoned ships. One small Marienburg vessel changed hands twice in as many turns. Great fun, but tiring.
For step by step instructions on building a ship see Goomb's blog on Da Warpath--
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22660&st=0
And Adm'rul Kurgan's Ironfang Pirates at
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=7227
Enjoy!
js
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this ship http://www.edinburghwargames.com/J10%20Images/DSCF0886.jpg
was made from this: http://disneyshopping.go.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DSIProductDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10051&productId=1206459&langId=-1&categoryId=14982
Only $13 each.....
I'm thinking of getting a couple
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"This Item is not available" :-(
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this ship http://www.edinburghwargames.com/J10%20Images/DSCF0886.jpg
was made from this: http://disneyshopping.go.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DSIProductDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10051&productId=1206459&langId=-1&categoryId=14982
Only $13 each.....
I'm thinking of getting a couple
So much to choose from. So little room... If they also sold a Flying Dutchman to compliment that Pearl that would be heaven. I imagine since they are OOP they will show up on e-bay. Not for $13 though.
Adm'rul Goomb has also put a ship building tutorial on the Animosity 3 forums along with links to articles on the Dhow.
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Animosity2/index.php?showtopic=651
It may be winter here in the north lands but its summer there lads. Did I mention War Elephants!
js
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"This Item is not available" :-(
Crap, It was available the last time I looked at it :)
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Found the Black Pearl on Amazon,
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_t?url=search-alias%3Dtoys-and-games&field-keywords=Black+Pearl+Remote+Control+Pirate+Ship&x=11&y=16
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(http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/images/conceptart/CA0707_21.jpg)
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Great ship!
:smile2:
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In this ship,
my army who hates water, would raily sail of ;)
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That looks like a Fluyt with undersized sails.
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That looks like a Fluyt with undersized sails.
A what?
:?
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A large Dutch trading vessel with a very distinct shape that doubled as a warship.
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Got it! Thanks. Any pictures? Always looking for more research on ships... :smile2:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluyt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluyt)
http://www.horribledeath.com/age3/fluyt.htm (http://www.horribledeath.com/age3/fluyt.htm)
It had a very narrow deck to escape toll rules of the time, a bloated cargo hull and was shaped sort of like a wooden shoe.
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Nice! I'd come across the English reference to a flute before but didn't make the connection.
Thanks for the links! :::cheers:::
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Damn, now I feel like making a Fluyt. It's my own fault, but I need someone else to blame...
*Eyes Von Kurst*
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Woo Hoo! Another poor sod laboring in the yards! :evil:
It'll be great! :::cheers:::
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Its Orctober on Da Warpath.
Check out this thread for ships and SEA MONSTERS!
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22350&st=0
:biggriin:
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More naval themed goodness from these sites
http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/lsloop.htm
http://www.madponies.net/pub/FoundryShips/GARYSHIP.pdf
http://www.madponies.net/pub/FoundryShips/GARYSHIP2.pdf
:smile2:
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Another useful article on ships for 28mm miniature games
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/2008/10/setting-sail-collecting-ships-for.html
So much coolness!
js
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GIS for "fluyt" turned up this result on the first page!
http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/7531/flyingfluyt8av.jpg
I'll just add that to my long list of future projects.
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That's the real flying dutchman.
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Thoughts about playing naval games.
Back when the General's Compendium came out one of my friends built several ships and the accompanying scenery, wreckage and sharks. I already had a ship that qualified as a medium and 2 others in our group started ships of their own. We played one 4 player game with a GM. Had fun. Never did it again.
One of the players in that game and I started playing a game every 6 months to a year apart. (The guy who ran the first game has never played with us again...oops.) We also use our small ships and dingys in Mordheim games. Years pass. I start playing in the Crisis in Marienburg. There are MoW players. Sea zones. My friend choses Marienburg. I chose Middenheim. We played 2 or 3 naval games. I lost every one except one that we had to call a draw because the store was closing. I discover Megablocks ships and purchase a Black Pearl. (So cool. A toy for toddlers?)
I start playing in the Animosity 3 campaign. (Why don't more of you?) My intention was to build more ships in an Arabian style. Big dream, no real progress. But the Pearl started an arms race. My friend buys 4 large ships (Megablocks--a Pearl, a Flying Dutchman and Stormstalker and Disney's Black Pearl toy as well.) I get a Stormstalker because he found a deal for 2. We play our first duel between large ships. Really interesting game. I win so I have lots of fun. (I had fun losing too, but winning was better.)
Pros of playing naval games.
-a BIG change of pace. Not your usual Warhammer game.
-hobby intensive. Even if you go with converted toys as I do, there's still lots to learn and do.
-high adventure, cannon duels, boarding actions, using the wind to advantage. Each game is a different challenge.
-scenarios. The GC came with some and the White Dwarf articles added several others. We haven't played with flyers or sea monsters yet.
Cons of playing naval games.
-no real rules. The General's Compendium rules are not comprehensive. Despite being in their second edition Warhammer Ahoy doesn't seem much better. This is a problem if the players are not interested in playing a game but rather are focused on winning at all costs. My friend and I are primarily interested in playing with the toys we have made or purchased. Thus we iron out what rules we are using and make things up on the fly. We've had a couple of rocky moments especially when a year had passed since the last game. (Since we are making up the rules, saying something isn't in the rules is not a useful argument...)
We are always play testing.
-time. Like all Warhammer games the more toys you try to include at once the more time it takes to use them. Our first and only battle featuring 7 ships took 8 hours to set up, play and take down. Made us grumpy.
-space. I don't ever want to play a game on the floor. I think 6x8 would be the perfect table, but we usually have a 4x6 or 4x8 available. Our first duel between large ships happened on a 4x8. It turned into a battle of maneuver and the table worked despite the fact that each large ship was at least 2 feet long. Both of us were very conscious of the table edges.
-scale. I used to think that using large ships was silly. Now that I've played a couple of games with them, I'm hooked. But space and time mean that I doubt we'll get to play more than once a month or so.
Does anyone on this forum play naval battles?
js
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Yup, I've played a few. Although the rules can get a little rocky, it really emphasizes the two sides of the hobby that I like the most: building and modeling cool pieces, and playing with them. The winning part becomes second priority.
I think you summed it up well in your post, although with a little more practice the battles do go a little faster.
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Most late Medieval/Renaissance ships were the fat bellied, clunky looking merchant kind and mostly hugged the coast lines for (relative) safety and ease of navigation.
Much of the Ancients' knowledge about ship building, star constellations and such had been either lost or suppressed by the church, so it wasn't until the late Renaissance and the so-called 'Age of Reason' that seafaring took off again.
Most of the 'Galleon' or 'Pirate' type ships you might find in toy stores and such are really too 'modern' for the WH Empire background.
If you want to nitpick, that is.......
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Most late Medieval/Renaissance ships were the fat bellied, clunky looking merchant kind and mostly hugged the coast lines for (relative) safety and ease of navigation.
Much of the Ancients' knowledge about ship building, star constellations and such had been either lost or suppressed by the church, so it wasn't until the late Renaissance and the so-called 'Age of Reason' that seafaring took off again.
Most of the 'Galleon' or 'Pirate' type ships you might find in toy stores and such are really too 'modern' for the WH Empire background.
If you want to nitpick, that is.......
And Columbus takes 3 of those fat bellied, clunky merchantmen and sails the Atlantic...
My current fluff--I got a galleon from the Brets!
Sharkbelly--have you seen my latest posted sea battle against the Ogres?
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And Columbus takes 3 of those fat bellied, clunky merchantmen and sails the Atlantic...
one of them doesn't make it back...
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Ja, pretty much par for the Age of Discovery.
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-scale. I used to think that using large ships was silly. Now that I've played a couple of games with them, I'm hooked. But space and time mean that I doubt we'll get to play more than once a month or so.
This brings up an interesting thought... There are plenty of manufacturers of inexpensive* 15mm fantasy and historical figures. What about using a reduced scale?
* 15mm figures that are significantly cheaper than Warmaster 10mm figures -- my friends and I used to play Warmaster in 15mm for that reason. 15mm is also still large enough that you could potentially base figures individually as in WFB.
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Isn't playing with larger boats pretty similar to having a warhammer skirmish? Unless you have a huge space available, there can't be much room to maneuver, so I imagine the boats just crashing into each other and having a boarding action.
Isn't it better to play Man o' War (or something similar)?
On the other hand, I have got this:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/sparky_sparkfire/ironclad5.jpg~original)
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Isn't playing with larger boats pretty similar to having a warhammer skirmish? Unless you have a huge space available, there can't be much room to maneuver, so I imagine the boats just crashing into each other and having a boarding action.
Isn't it better to play Man o' War (or something similar)?
Nice ironclad!
I have a couple of answers to your question.
1) it depends on what you want your game to simulate. If you want to be the admiral of your fleet, Man o' War is the game for you. If you want to be a ship captain, you'll look for something else.
2) The game is what you make of it. Back when I started playing Warhammer, I was fighting a close game at a local store. One of the bystanders, a 40K player, commented, "all you do in this game is move a couple of times and then roll dice for the rest of the game. BORING!"
I was shocked! My cavalry had swept in from the flanks to save the infantry blocks that had barely held my opponent's charges. My guns had pounded his advance. My mages had protected the army and inflicted some damage themselves. The army generals had fought a decisive duel in the center of the field! The battle I was playing was high drama!
I've written stories about almost every naval game I've played. Some are over on the Imperial Office. If you cut out all the fluff, they boil down to the boats crashing into each other and a boarding action. I thought that was the point!
:biggriin:
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Fair enough.
I've never played a game with big boats, so I don't really know what it's like. :icon_smile:
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Assault cannon gyro? :icon_eek:
Did you make the ironclad yourself or is that a kit?
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It's a gatling cannon, as in Man o' War.
The ironclad was from this company:
http://www.flagshipgames.com/catalog-pirates.htm
Though I gave it a bigger gun.
That company have a rules set as well for boat games.
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If Man O War isn't your thing/too expensive you can allways sculpt your own. :happy:
My Thumb O War Fleet! (Pictures are quite old have had alot of work done since then however i'm too busy to work on them at the moment.)
Pirates/Orc's
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/mogsam_moogle/SS100432.jpg)
Ironclad.
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/mogsam_moogle/SS100427.jpg)
Ironclads.
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll277/mogsam_moogle/3.jpg)
Mogsam
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Hey, those are cool! :icon_biggrin:
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Rufus--thanks for the link! More cool stuff!
Mogsam--great job on the fleet! Did you just start this project for A3 or have you been working on it for awhile?
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I'd put Columbus on the very tail end of the period the WH Empire is (more or less) based on.
Plus, he had no idea how far exactly he was going to have to go to get anywhere (other than the Edge of the World....).
Simulating naval warfare on a scale larger than a one-on-one boarding action is going to be very problematic space wise for most gamers if you want to use your 28 mm Warhammer figures.
One thing you could try is to run something like a campaign (assuming you can get a few other gamers interested in that sort of thing) where the naval action is simulated by Man O'War or other naval rules (Wooden Ships and Iron Men, for example) and once the crews of 2 ships actually come to blows, you switch the action to a standard wargames table and play it pretty much like a regular WH game.
Most gamers don't have the attention span for that sort of campaign, but maybe you are lucky and know a few people who do.
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I'd put Columbus on the very tail end of the period the WH Empire is (more or less) based on.
Plus, he had no idea how far exactly he was going to have to go to get anywhere (other than the Edge of the World....).
Columbus did have an estimate of the distance around the world, it was just much too small. Fortunately for him, there was a surprising new continent in the way. Also, no one involved thought the world was flat. Blame Washington Irving for that bit of nonsense.
Anyway, The Empire is more 16th century than anything.
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It happened to co-incide with A3 rather than be done for it. Wanted to get some practice sculpting since I did some plaguebearers and loved sculpting on them. Working on rules after the deadline period is over and I can get back to Somerset.
Mogsam.
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Simulating naval warfare on a scale larger than a one-on-one boarding action is going to be very problematic space wise for most gamers if you want to use your 28 mm Warhammer figures.
One thing you could try is to run something like a campaign (assuming you can get a few other gamers interested in that sort of thing) where the naval action is simulated by Man O'War or other naval rules (Wooden Ships and Iron Men, for example) and once the crews of 2 ships actually come to blows, you switch the action to a standard wargames table and play it pretty much like a regular WH game.
Most gamers don't have the attention span for that sort of campaign, but maybe you are lucky and know a few people who do.
I forget the series titles, but I've read several naval theme novels that follow a naval captain's exploits be he pirate or Royal Navy or whatever. In each series the pivotal scene is a ship to ship duel with the notorious arch enemy captain. My friends and I are primarily interested in those kinds of actions as opposed to fleet conflicts. If I've implied otherwise I didn't intend to. Like all gamers we've over-reached the intended scale on occasion but as I've said before on this thread we don't foresee playing on a bigger than 6x8 table. (Maybe 6x12!)
I am using a set of rules written with the size of action I have in mind. I also have several other similar rules sets available to use and we cannibalize rules as the situation arises. I am having a really good time with this so my posts on this thread are aimed at sharing resources and encouraging any scale of naval action but specifically 28 mm.
Wooden Ships and Iron Men! Great game!
Mogsam@ I look forward to your rules development.
:::cheers:::
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We just played the finale of Sartosa 3 last Thursday night - a Naval game with four players and six ships!
Photos and a report on Da Warpath here:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22901&view=findpost&p=1378679
We used the General's Compendium rules with some home-brew mods:
Warhammer Fantasy: Naval Battles
These are amendments to amendments to the ‘Boats in Warhammer Chapter of the Warhammer: General’s Compendium, page 128. All rules apply as normal, unless stated otherwise below.
The Size of Things (Pg 130)
The players agree a points limit for each side to spend on its ships, war machines and crews. (Note Decks are no longer considered.)
Dinghy 0 points
Small Ship 125 points
Medium Ship 200 points
Large Ship 300 points
Outfitting Ships with War Machines (Pg137)
Ships may be armed with Carronades at +50 points each. Carronades have the following profile:
(Cannon War Machine) Range: 36” Strength: 7 Damage: D3 (Grapeshot is half strength)
Each Carronade comes with two War Machine Crew which will be identical to the ‘crew’ that usually man the army’s war machines in their Army Book.
Ships may also be armed with Swivel Guns at +20 points each. It will be fixed to a point on the Ship and must have a model in base to base to fire, other than this it follows the rules for Swivel Gun (Pg 161) of the General’s Compendium. Swivel Guns do not count towards the number of War Machines the ship is allowed.
Ignore the options available in the General’s Compendium. Players must agree with their opponent beforehand and decide an appropriate points cost to fit War Machines from their Army Book.
Armies (Pg 139)
Points may be spent on infantry/troops, including at least one Core choice, and up to one Hero level character per full 1000pts from the army’s Army Book. Choices must be legal units, i.e. legal unit sizes.
There must be enough space aboard each ship to carry its crew.
Shooting from a Ship (Pg 139)
Models with missile weapons (including Move-or-Fire weapons, like Crossbows) may pivot on the spot and still shoot. The only exception is when these models fire as part of a Stand and Shoot reaction- targets must be within their line of sight.
Difference in Deck Height (Pg 145)
There is no bonus for taller ships, ignore this section. However, models attempting to assault a ship’s fore- or aft-castle from the waist of a ship count as attacking a defended obstacle. If assaulting waist-to-waist or fore-/aft-castle-to- fore-/aft-castle, resolve the attack as normal.
Boarding Actions
• When two ships come into contact, work out whether they are Headlong (enemy ship is Bow On to attacking ship) or Alongside (enemy ship is Abeam to attacking ship). If it’s a headlong attack work out ramming damage.
• Once the ram has been resolved, the ships should realign. If the ships are not perpendicular, rotate both ships by as equal an angle as possible until they are.
• Once this is complete, move the attacking ship D6” either forwards or backwards to maximise the amount of hull-to-hull contact.
• Crew from both ships may now make a free 2” move to get into combat positions (This is in addition to any additional charge/normal moves the attackers wish to make)
• If there is room, models may use their free move or charge to move onto the enemy ship. They must pass the normal leaping aboard roll!
• Any model that is in contact with an enemy model, or would be in contact with an enemy model if it were not for the ship’s bulwarks, may make its full attacks as normal.
• No model ever counts bonuses/disadvantages for charging on a ship. The conditions are too cramped and awkward to gain sufficient momentum.
• To allow for various unusual shapes of hull etc, models may attack across a gap of up to 3” (they can be assumed to be swinging from the rigging, etc).
• Each model that attacks from its own ship and inflicts an unsaved wound may move onto the enemy ship where the model he killed was stood (he must pass a leaping aboard test to get there though)
Combat Resolution (Pg 145)
Ignore this section in the General’s Compendium, instead each model that had a friendly model removed as a casualty within 2” during the Combat Phase (Boarding Action turn) must pass a Leadership test at the end of the Combat Phase (Boarding Action turn), if failed and the model is aboard it’s own ship it will move directly away from the enemy ship the shortest route to drop into the sea (essentially the crewman panics and leaps from the ship).
If failed and the model is aboard an enemy ship it will attempt to move back on board it’s own ship if possible, and into the water if not able to.
If 50% or more of the starting total Unit Strength of the Crew i.e. your starting army, has been killed there is a -1 to the Leadership test.
Loser Takes a Break Test (Pg 145)
Ignore this section in the General’s Compendium, instead a player must take a Leadership at the end of the Combat Phase (Boarding Action turn) test if 50% or more of the starting total Unit Strength of the Crew i.e. your starting army, has been killed and the Ship is involved in a Boarding Action, if failed the Crew will ‘Abandon Ship’ as described in the General’s Compendium.
Swimming
A model in water gets a "reverse armour save" at the start of every turn to be able to swim. They have to fail their armour save, so a model with light armour can swim safely on 1-5 but drowns on a 6. A model in full plate armour drowns on 4+!
A model which has been swimming becomes ‘soaked’: Soaked models have -1 to hit when shooting. This becomes -2 if the weapons has the armour piercing rule. If the model doesn’t need BS (eg war machine, breath weapon etc) it can only fire on 4+. Models stay soaked for the rest of the battle.
Flyers
While using their flying movement, the water doesn’t count as difficult or impassable terrain for flyers (i.e. they can end their move/flee over it and not be destroyed). If a flyer finds itself over water but unable to fly (e.g. due to a spell) use the swimming rules, although they can move out of the water as normal soon as they can fly again.
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Great report and pictures! Yarr!
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I really think that next year's EuroBash should have sea battles ................
Soth has the clubhouse and the tables for a mega battle :icon_exclaim:
We should be building ships now ready for some Naval Mayhem .............
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Ahoy there, ya lubbers!
I have been doing a lot of work on ships for Seahammer. I believe old Arrberg (J/S) had linked up one of my sites for creating Arabian Dhows. Silly git forgot to link up the rest of the fleet.
I have a tutorial on building ships out of pink insulation board here:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22660
I have three ships in the painting booth and will be completed as soon as A3 is wrapped up. You can see the fleet in the link above. On my drawing board are a corvette (Bretonnian frigate) and a greenskin brig. The foam is already cut out for those ships. Yes, I am that crazy!
I also was completing the Emporer's Dreadnaught for my son. A tutorial can be found here:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=20872
Of course, I abandoned that ship and the hull is going to become the base for a greenskin hulk.
For those of you who are not inclined to build a whole fleet or even one ship, there is another way to get decent ships. Gary Chalk created some nifty plans for creating ships for tabletops, and those plans are alive and for sale today here:
http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/index.htm
Of course, if you would rather build something like one of these, here is a good tutorial on how to do that:
http://6mm.wargaming.info/page1010.shtml
I would highly recommend reading the Master and Commander series by Patrick O'Brien. This really gets your juices flowing, especially with Jack Aubrey's first command (The Sophie) in Master and Commander. There are some really good battles and scenarios that you can play on the tabletop.
As far as our A3 Campaign, it is almost over. I was hoping for more naval action considering the amount of sea tiles and island bases available, but only a couple of enterprising gits got after those locations. Pssst: they were easy points to get for your faction! I am encouraged that some folks did play Man-O-War and Seahammer as part of the campaign. There were some events, scenarios and epic sea battles that we never explored as part of the A3 Campaign, and I have tucked them away for future campaigns. Trust me, I have some ideas!
BTW, kudos to all the CIM folks for including sea battles. That was a really fun campaign and I tip my greenskin hat to them. It really got me motivated to get these ships in shape and tabletop ready.
Regardless, in future campaigns, I will definitely encourage having sea battles or river battle as part of the game. It is a lot of fun and really opens the door to something new.
Good luck!
Goomb
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I would highly recommend reading the Master and Commander series by Patrick O'Brien. This really gets your juices flowing, especially with Jack Aubrey's first command (The Sophie) in Master and Commander. There are some really good battles and scenarios that you can play on the tabletop.
Could not agree more mate! :::cheers::: Patrick O'Brien is my god! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
The historical period is a bit late for a direct Warhammer-equivalent but the spirit, atmosphere and general saltyness make them totally worth reading!
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Goomb! Kurgan!
Great to see you here!
Silly git forgot to link up the rest of the fleet.
Oh its around here somewhere... :icon_smile:
I'm thinking of collecting the various links and posting them once a page under various headings like rules, shipbuilding, etc. There's lots of information but it gets lost.
Patrick O'Brien is my god! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
The historical period is a bit late for a direct Warhammer-equivalent but the spirit, atmosphere and general saltyness make them totally worth reading!
Right you are! I also like B Cormwell's Dark Age sea fights in his latest series (The Last Kingdom, etc.)
:::cheers:::
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If you want to avoid that ship building stuff...
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/pirates_article.asp?cid=39303
Buy a few packs and you have a nice, neat little fleet. That game itself is ok.
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If you want to avoid that ship building stuff...
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/pirates_article.asp?cid=39303
Buy a few packs and you have a nice, neat little fleet. That game itself is ok.
The ships are too small - you can't even fit a Goblin on deck! :icon_lol:
We want Warhammer scale ship-to-ship battles, not a whole new game. :icon_biggrin:
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Yeah, but the Pirates ships work for MoW battles...
Now about your rules for ship fights..."Boarding Actions
• No model ever counts bonuses/disadvantages for charging on a ship. The conditions are too cramped and awkward to gain sufficient momentum.
Difference in Deck Height (Pg 145)
There is no bonus for taller ships, ignore this section. However, models attempting to assault a ship’s fore- or aft-castle from the waist of a ship count as attacking a defended obstacle. If assaulting waist-to-waist or fore-/aft-castle-to- fore-/aft-castle, resolve the attack as normal."
In 7th isn't this kind of moot since attacking a defended obstacle means that you don't gain charging bonuses? Or do you use 6th ed need 6s to hit?
I like the clarifications that you make about what counts as adjacent. We often get hung up there.
I'm not seeing how having every crew member within 2" of a casualty take a test or flee helps combat resolution in boarding actions. You generally have lots fewer crew on your ships (although looking at your points per side in the last battle I don't see why since its basically the same points per side we've used...). But its still a lot of dice rolling. I know you were looking to make your games last longer, while we are looking to speed things up.
We use the General's Compendium rules for resolving boarding actions and usually have seesaw fights that last several rounds. The only time ships have fallen quickly is if a small gets boarded by a medium or large.
How do you incorporate spears/pikes?
Your reports don't refer to magic. When the Tomb Kings are involved did they use their incantations? We have priests and spell casters in almost every fight. Mostly they get dispelled, but we've had some spells bite into crews. (And the Oxen Stands can make a small ship hold up a large forever)
As you can tell your little rules pack started lots of discussions on the decks...
:::cheers:::
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Actually we ignored the 2" of a casualty bit in our big game. :icon_lol: We treated each ship's crew as a single unit, except for allowing shooting at unengaged models during a boarding action.
There was lots of magic attempted but it was nearly all dispelled - at least two Comets were aimed at Le Sanglier and later dispelled of. I didn't have a Shaman in my list though so I may have "tuned out" a bit during those phases! :icon_redface:
We haven't used spears or pikes in a ship battle yet.
We are using 7th (the first Sartosa campaign was started to coincide with release of 7th ed.) The whole defended obstacle thing could be us playing things wrong... :icon_redface: (again)
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We haven't used spears or pikes in a ship battle yet.
Oh! We use the assisting attacks rule from the Compendium. No ship leaves port without a few pikes or spears. (except when my friend decided to try Ogres...)
:biggriin:
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I ended up picking up some Megablocks Pirates of the Caribbean ships cheap on Craigslist. I searched all over the US. I found someone in NJ that was selling two ships for $30! I added in $20 more shipping and bought TWO ships for $50. I have the Black Pearl and Flying Dutchman in my dockyards, but haven't had the chance to clear the barnacles and lego nubs off yet.
aka Groznit
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Grozint! Welcome aboard!
Ah the internet! I have the Pearl and the Stormstalker. When I looked at your photos of the Flying Dutchman I thought it would be too big to play with. And then my friend got one. Serious ship envy. My Undead Pirates want a flagship! Never mind that I have no smaller Undead ships to pair with it. The Flying Dutchman is so COOL. My friend doesn't have an Undead army but he's going to have his own crew of Undead Pirates before he sells me his Dutchman....grrr.
On another note has anyone fought a VC or Khemri crewed ship? Did you play the battle like a Warhammer fight or did the Undead have a break point like everyone else? I'm thinking facing a hulk like the Dutchman with a Pearl full of Empire or DoW swabbies would be a hard fight. I'd definitely start thinking Great Cannon. Must read what the Compendium has to say...
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Kurgan is your man, er orc, on this one. Two of the ships in the Flame On!'s Sartosa 1 Campaign had TKs on board, so he is a bit more experienced in that field, mate.
Good link for the small ship game. Looks good! I also found this little site today that gets the heart pumping:
http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=manowar
Very inspiring for the small ship gamers!
Goomb
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I also found this little site today that gets the heart pumping:
http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=manowar
Very inspiring for the small ship gamers!
I like that one! Nice pictures. :icon_smile:
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Well, I finished crewing my ogre ships, plus added a few details:
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/DSC00934.jpg~original)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/DSC00935.jpg~original)
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Nice work! Where are the swivel guns from?
:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
:::cheers:::
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Goomb has been finding cool stuff again! Visit this ship building blog--
http://carmensminiaturepainting.blogspot.com/2008/09/oldies-but-goodies-empire-ship.html
Also Goomb has a ton of new images on his own thread on Da Warpath...which really should have a presence on the B&P since he is building EMPIRE ships over there....
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22660&st=45#entry1383311
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Sorry to play the part of necromancer, but I am really getting excited by the possibilities of sea and river battles using 28 mm scale ships. By the way, this is a great discussion that should be continued. Sharkbelly, that ship looks fantastic. I would love to see how you built it!
If you have been watching my Fleet thread at Da Path, you have seen these ships take shape. I am pleased with most of my decisions, although I would have changed a couple looking back at things. Such is the life of a hobbyist! Just to give you a taste of what they look like....
The Three Kings - Brigantines (Large Class Ships)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/Goomb/The%20Fleet/Threekings001.jpg~original)
I believe I might have something for you folks that are looking for a set of rules that works. The General's Compendium does have some rules, but I think the answer might be Games Workshop Historical's Legends of the High Seas. http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LotHighSeas/
I am just signing up in their Yahoo Group, and I am impressed with what I see. The rules make much more sense then some of the General Compendium. I have yet to buy the rulebook, but there are some files and things in the Yahoo Groups that make a lot of sense.
Just my 2 cents. Hey, Von Kurst, I am hoping to see some more naval battles, mate! I have a bunch of ideas for running a little campaign with my Empire-playing sons and neighbor. I will be flushing them out very soon and posting some scenary and mini projects. Also, I should clean up my blog for the ships and post it here for good measure. The sloops on the drawing board might be better ones to post, though.
Shiver me timbers and bring me that horizon!
Goomb
Goomb
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Avast Adm'rul!
Great work on the fleet!
As I've said your ship building blog would be most welcome (at least by me) on the B&P. You have so much useful information and your WIP photos are very instructive as well.
Battles--I'm swamped by the real world at the moment. Tonight was Warhammer night and I had to cancel for overtime.
My spies tell me that work continues apace at the rival shipyards so I know there will be battles I just don't know when at present. My own docks are jammed with half finished hulls and there are plans for Orc and Undead fleets as well...
I am really excited about Legends of the High Seas. I haven't seen a book yet either...
Fair winds! :::cheers:::
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Midaski awards this thread the very special:
"Immunity to Threadomancy"
as he thinks it is a cracking thread and wants to see it kept alive rather than new odd threads springing up.
:engel:
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SHIPS! :smile2:
Historically, what they said. I recommend the Wickapedia article on Galleons, the one on Carracks and along the way you should encounter a link to the Mary Rose's site as well. All will provide a great overview and some good ideas.
In Warhammer terms I spent some time yesterday just browsing all the ship building articles in the B&P. There's lots. The most recent was titled Ogre ships or something like that.
Good ideas! :::cheers:::
Do you have a General's Compendium or the White Dwarfs that featured ship battles? Lots of pictures and how to articles.
I just purchased a copy a couple weeks back, need to read more of it, and haven't gotten to the ship articles yet.
I am currently following the Sartosa 3 campaign on Da Warpath. For Monday's ship fight featuring Da Hogwasha --
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22901&st=75&#last
I also recommend browsing through Sartosa 1 & 2 and The Grudge of Sheer campaign also featured on Da Warpath. (Dose Orcy pirates iz dead serious about dey ships.) Somewhere on Da Warpath there is also an article on building da Hogwasha. And for Empire, my friend Playtable has his ship photos at this site
http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc193/playtable/Warhammer/Ships/
I like how thta guy has a mini steam tank on the nose of his ship. :icon_cool:
If you would like to start with some or indeed most of the work already done for you, I recommend the following toys:
Playmobil's Pirate Dingy (really a galleon hull with a schooner's rig) It comes with bunches of useful bitz and is the right size for a General's Compendium medium sized ship. (Photos posted on the B&P about 2-3 weeks ago in the Ogre ship article...)
Its good to go right out of the box or you can do what I'm doing and convert, convert, convert.
Weapons and Warriors Pirate Battle Game. Comes with 2 ships, 2 dingies, 12 useable ship's guns, a tower and a bunch of other stuff. May be OOP but you can still find it on Ebay. There is an article in the B&P (with lots of photos I couldn't open) on converting them. I picked this box up years ago. The ships are small but can be converted easily into useful sizes for warhammer games. My mainstay ships until 2 weeks ago.
Mega Blocks #1017 The Black Pearl. The mother lode of Empire shipping. A Large Ship. (2'-0" long) She's a galleon so the historical look is not 100% right. BUT wonderful detail, lots of room for modeling and conversion or stick it together and play out of the box. Some parts are scaled for Mega Blocks figures but she's so nicely done that replacing the ship's wheel with one in 28mm scale was not a problem.
My friends and I caught the ship battle craze about 8-9 years ago. Got re-energized by the General's Compendium and then sailed again for the Crisis in Marienburg campaign. We've been having lots of fun, but my workspace is swamped with hulls, guns and masts. I decided to re-do all my older ships plus convert the Black Pearl. All for a battle Sunday at 1 pm.
Fair winds and calm seas matey,
js
This is just psyching me up to build a ship ... so many ideas ... so little time ... I just created a things to buy list for this hobby and started mapping it out over the next 6 months so I don't spend too much money too quickly, and need to also start a list for projects that need completion and ones for the future ... ships for use with warhammer models will be on the list. :icon_cool:
By the way, this thread has so much info I'll need to come back again and again when I get to doing a ship project or two.
During CiM I didn't end up getting around to trying out some MoW, just too busy with other things at the time. However, during A3 eight of my 16 reported battles were MoW. Used the small ships from "Pirates of the Spanish Main" card game series to represent Imperial, Bretonnian, Orc, and even Dark Elves one time. There is also a Warhammer set of rules, along the lines of the WarHammer Ancients and The Great War, that I saw a two guys using with some hand made ships and WFB models a ways back, too.
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Foundry have a sale on with the "Legends of the High Seas" at £15.00 ......
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By the way, this thread has so much info I'll need to come back again and again when I get to doing a ship project or two.
There is also a Warhammer set of rules, along the lines of the WarHammer Ancients and The Great War, that I saw a two guys using with some hand made ships and WFB models a ways back, too.
The thread exists to serve! :smile2:
The Warhammer Historicals book would be--
Foundry have a sale on with the "Legends of the High Seas" at £15.00 ......
:::cheers:::
Thanks for catching that deal Midaski! Have one on me!
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Wow...threadomancy protection....Wow.
As an admin over at Da Path, I have never seen such maj-ik-kal goody-ness. Will have to make a note of that trick! Hurr hurr hurr
Thanks for the head's up on the sale. I might have to race a couple of you chaps to the prize (so to speak). I just checked a local hobby store and the Chicago Battle Bunker, and neither stock this kind of stuff. There are a couple copies on Amazon, and they have some copies on e-bay. Rest assured, I just picked up my copy! YAR!
I know that a fleet project like the one I am completing is pretty large and intimidating. Even building a brig using these methods is a bit overwhelming (even for me)! There are some good examples of smaller sloops that are easy to build and paint. I will create a tutorial for us and post it here and on Da Path. Hopefully I can encourage some of you to give Seahammer a try, especially since I have a hand in campaign design at Da Path. Rest assured that I will be putting our next campaign near a sea or include a navigable river.
Is there any fluff or background here on the W-E site about the River Patrol or Empire navy? Just curious. That could be a nice little project. :happy:
Captain Goomb
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There was a Black Library publication that had a section on the Empire's rivers that I saw last summer, but I can't recall what it was called. :icon_sad:
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Is there any fluff or background here on the W-E site about the River Patrol or Empire navy? Just curious. That could be a nice little project. :happy:
Captain Goomb
Well there are certainly a bunch of Stirlanders talking about their river patrols... I don't recall seeing any of their boats...
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Von Kurst, maybe you have that publication I'm recalling?
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I missed it :icon_frown:
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Got my "Legends of the High Seas" through and I have had a bit of a look. - It's a Warhammer Historical production.
The foreword says it was inspired by the "Legends of the old West", and I have that too. It looks like the rules are very similar too.
They were based on Mordheim with some LotR stuff thrown in - you have 'Fame' and 'Fortune' points like 'Might' and whatever .................
144 pages + cover - rules for fighting with pirates, privateers, island natives and the navy, both on land and at sea. I haven't gone into the ship movement or fighting rules yet, but so far I am impressed.
What I like is that I don't have to buy any models - I can use any of my Empire or DoW minis, and the only difference is that they are on 20mm square bases rather than 'round' as shown in the book.
I doubt it will make a scrap of difference.
I think the author may be american - there is a pic on the inside back cover that shows the inside of a small fort - made form Hirst Arts blocks :biggriin:
Some of the land buildings shown are not too far away from use as Wild West buildings, so again scenery can be dual purpose.
Now I just need to build a boat or two .............
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I have high hopes for the ship to ship rules... Still waiting for a copy to arrive :::cheers:::
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"Legends of the High Seas" are the rules being used by a couple of guys at the local store, and I'm told they are very much enjoying the system. Another one of those games I'd like to eventually pick up. :icon_cool:
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Here's a list of the links that have been posted on this thread arranged by topic. Enjoy!
Research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluyt
http://www.horribledeath.com/age3/fluyt.htm
http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/7531/flyingfluyt8av.jpg
Ship building and converting
http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc193/playtable/Warhammer/Ships/
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22660&st=0
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=7227
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22350&st=0
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Animosity2/index.php?showtopic=651
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/2008/10/setting-sail-collecting-ships-for.html
http://6mm.wargaming.info/page1010.shtml
http://carmensminiaturepainting.blogspot.com/2008/09/oldies-but-goodies-empire-ship.html
http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/boats/boat.htm/
Gary Chalk’s ship templates
http://www.madponies.net/pub/FoundryShips/GARYSHIP.pdf
http://www.madponies.net/pub/FoundryShips/GARYSHIP2.pdf
Man O’ War
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/theseaofclaws/
http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=manowar
Legends of the High Seas
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LotHighSeas/
Related products (Ship miniatures.toys, etc)
http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/lsloop.htm
http://www.flagshipgames.com/catalog-pirates.htm
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/pirates_article.asp?cid=39303
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I have a few links in my favourites, that I don't think are listed above.
http://www.shiftinglands.com/resin%20boats.htm
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/2008/10/setting-sail-collecting-ships-for.html
http://www.spiritofthegame.org.uk/warhammerahoy/index.htm
http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/shop/?page=shop/browse&category_id=bef48835ee540e30c771e34e935023c8
and a forum - uncharted seas section.
http://www.conf-federation.org.uk/forum/index.php?board=153.0
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/#/unchartedseas/4529548089
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Good grief! This is some great resource material. I appreciate the effort you all have put into this. Just to let you know, I am about to open up some forums on Da Warpath that will let us revisit and update our Pirate Orc Army Book (the older one was for the 6th Edition), and I have also created a Seahammer forum to discuss naval combat in Warhammer games.
I appreciate the review of the LOTHS book. Mine has not arrived yet, but it is on the way. I am really excited to see it as I hear there are some good things to the gaming system. After reading some more Patrick O'Brien last night, I am jazzed to get some projects underway.
I bought materials for the small ship project, so I will begin building some sloops that are fairly easy to build out of balsa, card and foamboard. Should be a fun project. I also have a number of scenary projects spinning in my head: semaphore stations, forts, docks, lighthouses, seaside villas and villages. Time, effort and money....<sigh>
If you boys don't mind, I might borrow your links as the new forums open. Perhaps you all would want to drop over sometime and make some comments.
Goomb
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Good grief! This is some great resource material. I appreciate the effort you all have put into this.
If you boys don't mind, I might borrow your links as the new forums open. Perhaps you all would want to drop over sometime and make some comments.
Goomb
As for 'my' links, I got most of them from you and WBK! I just went through and organized them so I won't lose them. My intention is to add to the list as this thread (and others) grows. I've been building little ships for Warhammer ever since Gary Chalk's WD article "All the Nice Dwarfs Love a Sailor" (or whatever it was titled). I expect to keep at it for awhile, I'll stop by for a pint if nothing else.
:biggriin:
:::cheers:::
js
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Is there any fluff or background here on the W-E site about the River Patrol or Empire navy? Just curious. That could be a nice little project. :happy:
Captain Goomb
Well there are certainly a bunch of Stirlanders talking about their river patrols... I don't recall seeing any of their boats...
Its because they are from Stirland... they just use Tom Sawyer rafts.
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A shot of my first completed ship, the OS Ferlangen. (About to be overwhelmed by Orc pirates...) Since remodeled and unphotographed.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15769907@N07/1752131274/in/set-72157602707304517/
:::cheers:::
js
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Oh, those are some beautiful pictures there, mate. Which is your ship? I recognize a couple of them....
BTW, I have created the Seahammer Rules forum and the Orc Pirate Army Book Update forum here:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?act=SC&c=17
There isn't much there yet, but I have my plans in motion.
WAAAGH
Goomb
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Oops! Mine's the reddish brown one with the sun on it's sail and it's guns run out. (Flying the battle flag of Ostland from the mast with its sails taken in... (reefed?)
You must have gone off line just before I posted on Da 'path...
:::cheers:::
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Ah, that one looks good! It has a nice forecastle, a quarter deckand the poopdeck. Any chance you could take some close-up shot of that vessel, sir? I seem to recognize several bits and pieces from a Weapons and Warriors ship in the OS Ferlangen (if I am not mistaken - lanterns, figurehead, masts, railing/wheel on the poopdeck). I would also love to see those cannons down by the waterline....
Looking good, mates! Also, WarbossKurgan posted some house rules on the Seahammer site on Da Warpath, and I know they are posted here as well. Just helps to know where the resources are stored, you know.
Goomb
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Well. I kinda chopped it up (again) a couple of months ago. I was tired of being outclassed by the newer ships my friend had built. (Larger carrying capacity for crew) So I expanded the poopdeck. And then I bought the Pearl and then...
The reason that the Ferlangen looks like Weapons and Warriors is that it is a W&W ship cut in half and elevated on 2" of pink foam. The cannons are W&W as well just nestled permanently in their gun deck.
:biggriin:
js
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Holy crap I found this awesome thread. I've recently been thinking of starting some new armies (vamps and Bretonnians), so I though yay Zombie pirates. I remember having this cool ghost ship when I was younger so I started digging around for it, but instead I found 4 sweet ships. One which is a cool pirate ship from long ago and 3 life boats that are perfect for a crew of about 10.
So I have begun my trek into Sea Hammer using the General's Compendium's rules along with WBK's rules on Da Warpath. So far the fleet of my Empire consists of:
The Fleet
1 Medium Ship
1 Small Ship
1 Small Ship
1 Small Ship
total: 1025 points.
What rulesets do you guys use. And what does your current fleet look like.
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Ahoy Grodi!
I've got 2 Large ships, 2 mediums and 1 small. I generally fight in groups of 2. 1 Large, 1 small or 1 medium, 1 small. The small ship will hold 1 gun + crew and 25 other models. The Black Pearl toy can cram around 92 models on the main decks and fighting tops. For large and medium ships we put the guns below decks to free the main deck for boarding parties.
This link shows the biggest battle we've tried so far
http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc193/p...%20vs%20Empire/
We've played by the General's Compendium rules since they came out. Although since CiM we've been trading house rules with WBK and his Flame On! lads.
I think lots of small ships is a good option.
:::cheers:::
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And on those ships sailed Pirates!
http://wk.frothersunite.com/sc/pirates/pirates1/pirates.htm
A collection of the miniature world's pirate offerings by the Frothers.
(nicked from baldy orc off Da Warpath...)
To properly outfit ships browse here--
http://www.modelexpo-online.com/search.asp?UID=2008100122383145&SKW=brass@&PAGLEN=20&STARTPAGE=1
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The Frothers article is worth a look - all 4 pages.
However there is a duff link for Ainsty - who are now part of Old Crow
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/aitrader.htm
is a page with lots of 'dock' stuff.
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Warhammer Historical are releasing a new rules system called "Trafalgar". It's for 1:1200 scale boats set in the "age of sail"(?). Apparently the game is simple enough for large fleet action but detailed enough for exciting single-ship action too.
I just thought you guys ought to know. Although I have a sneaking suspision that this has already been discussed before, but erhaps not in "detail".
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Thanks for the heads up, Mathais
Trafalgar is apparently influenced by the Man o' War rules. The system has started a little buzz in the yahoo group.
http://www.warhammer-historical.com/Trafalgar/Trafalgar.asp
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Updated list of useful Nautical links for Warhammer and Man o'War
Thanks to Goomb, Midaski and Baldy Orc
Forum - uncharted seas section.
http://www.conf-federation.org.uk/forum/index.php?board=153.0
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/#/unchartedseas/4529548089
Forum-Seahammer
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?act=SC&c=17
Research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluyt
http://www.horribledeath.com/age3/fluyt.htm
http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/7531/flyingfluyt8av.jpg
Ship building and converting
http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc193/playtable/Warhammer/Ships/
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22660&st=0
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=7227
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22350&st=0
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Animosity2/index.php?showtopic=651
http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/2008/10/setting-sail-collecting-ships-for.html
http://6mm.wargaming.info/page1010.shtml
http://carmensminiaturepainting.blogspot.com/2008/09/oldies-but-goodies-empire-ship.html
http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/gaming/boats/boat.htm/
Gary Chalk’s ship templates
http://www.madponies.net/pub/FoundryShips/GARYSHIP.pdf
http://www.madponies.net/pub/FoundryShips/GARYSHIP2.pdf
Man O’ War
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/theseaofclaws/
http://www.stephane.info/show.php?code=manowar
Legends of the High Seas
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LotHighSeas/
Warhammer Ahoy!
http://www.spiritofthegame.org.uk/warhammerahoy/index.htm
Related products (Ship miniatures, toys, pirate miniatures, etc)
http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/lsloop.htm
http://www.flagshipgames.com/catalog-pirates.htm
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/pirates_article.asp?cid=39303
http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/shop/?page=shop/browse&category_id=bef48835ee540e30c771e34e935023c8
http://www.shiftinglands.com/resin%20boats.htm
http://wk.frothersunite.com/sc/pirates/pirates1/pirates.htm
http://www.moonlightmini.com/
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Another line of pirate miniatures--
http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/workbench.asp
(The pirates are below the gunfighters...)
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I was browsing through the Traders list for this year's Salute show in London at the end of March and I found a few things that may not have come to light yet.
some oriental boats .
http://curteysminiatures.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=311
http://www.scheltrum.co.uk/
The pics aren't very good, but I'll have a look at the show.
some dockside scenery and small boats ......
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/aitrader.htm
and finally someone I am surprised has not been mentioned before ........ though they are a bit ( :icon_wink:) pricey
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=385
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=GG-008
the menu
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/categories.asp?cat=368
and the cannons .......
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=510
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The famous Wolfgang also does Warhammer scale scratch built ships--
http://gidian-gelaende.de/Material_HP/Wolfgang/Schiffe/album/index.html
(Thanks to Goomb for the link)
So Midaski anything interesting at Salute?
js
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Well I had a good look around ........
The Scheltrum turtle boat was quite nice, though in his price booklet it seems like he refers to it as 15mm.
However a lot of the Oriental boats around have a very square 'scratchbuilt' look to them, so if I felt like going that route with oriental pirates I think I would build my own boats.
The traditional pointy-end of a galleon looks bit harder to achieve ...... :engel:
I'll copy over from the Salute thread as the Black Cat Bases site is worth adding to our 'inventory' here.
Most money went on the Black Cat Bases stand where I got a couple of resin boats - they were £50 each, or £70 with a pirate or British crew of 18 from their Pirates of the Skeleton Seas range:
http://www.blackcatbases.com/prodtype.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=117&numRecordPosition=1
Soth then got into haggle mode and we had the 2 boats and 36 crew for £120.00 - He got the crew and I got the boats.
I also got a couple of £12.00 packs with a captain, 4 crew and a little boat about 6" x 1.5". On unpacking these there is a 'fault' on one side in the mould where there is a little hole and the resin is a bit thin - nothing a bit of greenstuff won't cure though.
The minis are quite nice sculpts too - a heroic 28mm - foot to eye measurement.
The main boats were 13.5" long by around 4.25" wide, supplied with 3 long bits of wooden dowelling for masts etc.
With each boat there was also a bag of metal accessories:
- 4 Cannons, 3 large Lamps, 3 coils of ropes, 3 ladders, 3 swivel guns, a steering wheel and stand, a couple of balustrades, and anchor, 4 buckets, 3 muskets, a scuplted mermaid for the prow, and even some rats !
I think some were added from their existing ranges and are not specifically for the boat.
The 3 lengths of dowel are just that - 3 bits of wood, I have to cut cross-spars and work out some rigging and sails of some sort.
I need to do some work on them - the holes in the deck for the masts are bigger than the dowels and a bit short for support - I think I may head over to Marcus' Chaos Dwarf mine thread and pinch ideas for a tube to stand on the deck and support the mast more, so it is firmly upright, but can be removed easily for storage.
The cannons are good, but have no 'carriage' so I will need to do something there.
My ships/boats knowledge is limited, but there are no below decks gun ports, just 4 openings on the deck, 2 per side. Strangely the outer sculpt on the stern has 'windows' that stretch across the lower cabin and the top deck.
Unfortunatley there are no pics on the manufacturer's site yet as they only got the first casts back last week ... so keep an eye out.
They were 'best value' I think of what I saw, but need work.
Redoubt had a nice set from their French Indian wars - a sort rowboat/barge with a 5 crew - 4 rowers with oars, and a man on the rudder, - and a squad of troopers with officer sitting in the centre for £20, and there is a towed barge add-on for £13.00 apparently with just more troopers in it - really nice, but no 'play' value IMO as the models are all in sitting position ............
There was another resin boat I saw for about £56 but I can't remember on what stand it was
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Thanks for the report!
Blackcat seems a bit all over the place. Their pirate and native minis are featured in the LotHS book and look very nice painted up, but the goblins don't do it for me.
I'm very interested in seeing photos of the ships you bought when you have the time. As to the gun ports many of the ships made for LotHS and other pirate games or settings seem to feature the guns on the main deck configuration. It makes construction sense from the company's point of view I imagine because they don't have to model below decks. Plus there's the whole historical realism thing.
The battles I am currently fighting are using small ships with the guns on the main decks. Its quite crowded even with small skirmish game crews (14-16 models).
I think a make it yourself junk is the way to go. Most of the models I've seen look to be easily copied for less or else are ridiculously expensive.
:::cheers:::
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I think a make it yourself junk is the way to go. Most of the models I've seen look to be easily copied for less or else are ridiculously expensive.
What about this one?
http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/junk.htm
(http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/pictures%5Cjunk.jpg)
Quite nice, I think.
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Nice find !
They've got some decent European ships as well.
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You know I am really diging this ship thing but.... well I guess just wow. Wish there was somthing out there for 20 usd that required little conversion.
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Nice find !
They've got some decent European ships as well.
I had their home link in my ships folder - their Brig is very similar to the Black Cat Bases one I got - they have a lower deck and better masts, against more metal accessories from Black Cat.
The Black Cat is normally selling for £50, so this Brig at £35 looks a good deal to me, though postage has to be added.
I might indulge in some cannon though.
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I can't actually find any ships on Black Cat :icon_confused:
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There's also the Flagship Games range of ships (probably listed already):
http://www.flagshipgames.com/catalog-pirates.htm
I got my dwarf ironclad from them. I'm not too keen on their other ships though, apart from the submarines.
My Ironclad:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/sparky_sparkfire/ironclad5.jpg~original)
Still sadly unused in battle! :icon_sad:
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Nice :icon_biggrin:
I want the double turret Iron Clad.
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I can't actually find any ships on Black Cat :icon_confused:
http://www.blackcatbases.com/page.asp?id=workbench
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I thought those Flagship games ones looked a bit cartoony, but that may be the paintjob. :icon_wink:
I also think those 'forts' on the front look weird too.
Black Cats only got their ship mould done last week, so they haven't got it on the website yet. I think I said earlier you will have to 'watch this space'.
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Thanks Soth!
Midaski, I'm very bad at looking through threads, I admit. Last time I saw this thread it was a page long :Ohmy:
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I don't like that black cat one. It's an odd shape.
I'm very bad at looking through threads
I always start at the end and read backwards.
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I don't like that black cat one. It's an odd shape.
I think they're crappy pics - make it look longer and thinner than it is.
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You know I am really diging this ship thing but.... well I guess just wow. Wish there was somthing out there for 20 usd that required little conversion.
Hey Wally,
I recommend the Playmobil Pirate Dingy--Target stores. Under $20. Useable bitz and can be used right out of the box if you want. See Sharkbelly's post on page... (or his thread Ogre ships on the B&P). The ship is not a dingy, its really big enough to be a medium ship in Generals Compendium or a large in Warhammer Ahoy!
Or else E-bay. One of my friends scored a Black Pearl and a Flying Dutchman for $20 plus shipping. They need a bit of work to be playable and are huge, but oh the thrill of being able to set up 90 crew on a Pearl's decks!
:biggriin:
Rufus--thanks for that link! They also have a nice swivel gun that is ace.
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Hey Wally,
Yea, I have looked at the E-bay lineup. Rather what I am refering to is resin cast ships... Its just too much to ask 40-60 USD for a resin gravity pour that size. I would rather try somthing myself but.....
I guess what it comes down to is I still have so much to do on the mainland it will be a while before i get out to sea.
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I hear you.
I've been lucky that there has been an opponent for my navy to fight. It keeps the interest up. Now that we've introduced ship duels into Mordheim games I've gained 2 new opponents.
:biggriin:
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hey guys check this out
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/gillburg/zve9018.jpg~original)
nice big 18 inch boat
http://www.twenga.co.uk/offer/15608/2120223332789549786.html
it comes with the whole ship ( the bottom ) but from the reviews its a sepperate part
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small boat $7
http://www.internethobbies.com/zve-9033.html
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They look interesting possibly:
http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/index.php?manufacturers_id=13861&sort=3a&filter_id=109999182
There's a whole page of Zvezda boats, but the 'more details' seem sketchy - the second link Gill does say 9cm long, which is only 3.5" - quite small, and it is a 23 piece kit. Looking at the picture, with two figures and a sail, I think that is a bit of 'photographic license'.
I have always assumed GW figures to be around 1/65 - so not too far off the popular 1/72.
If that is 1/72 scale, you'd get about 3-4 minis in it max. Ok I realise it is a rowboat, but it makes me wonder which scale to go for on their larger boats - they offer 1/72 and 1/100?
I think I'd like to see them.
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well 28mm is around 1/72 give or take,
if i get into boat battles ( would if i had opponents who were interisted ) i would buy the plastic boat kit being 18 inches
if you do buy them make sure they are 1/72 because 1/100 will not cut it
Zvezda make some nice ( and cheap ) sets for historical and you usually get what you pay for, but they have no idea how to sell products, pictures are rare to find, all i know is these sets are plastic
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i found a image of the dingy,
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/gillburg/e686_1.jpg~original)
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well 28mm is around 1/72 give or take,
Take quite a bit. 1/72 is going to be a bit small. That might not matter, and may even be a good thing for some people.
I think 1/48 or 1/56 might be a bit closer to 28mm, but don't expect to see those numbers (scale) on a lot of plastic kits.
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ahh your right,
did some research 1:72 = 22mm about
the dingy will probably be 2 small, but the bigger ships may be perfect
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Most model ships seem to be wildly out of scale with the crews anyway. They tend to look like clown cars. :icon_confused:
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A guy in my local shop converted a bunch of MegaBlok "Pirates of the Caribbean" ships for use for Warhammer Ahoy! I bought a couple, myself, but I haven't had a chance to look at his ships in a few months and they have sat untouched (except by my kids) for a while. I played a game last night with the local guy (nice chap) and here are some pictures of his conversions. Very nice stuff!
These are the Black Pearl
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5037.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5038.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5042.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5039.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5040.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5041.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5043.jpg~original)
These are from one of those other ships:
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5044.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5045.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5046.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5046.jpg~original)
I have purchased a Flying Dutchman, which is HUGE, but I haven't converted it or anything yet. Once again, these pics were done by a brilliant guy in my local shop.
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I have one these:
http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=39720 (http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=39720)
It can fit 3 20x20 models on the deck width wise, and about 12 length wise (sales get the way).
It was a bastard to assemble, and the oars are so annoying. It needs some modifications to game with.
I still need to buy (or assemble) something for it to battle with.
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Purty :Ohmy:
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Rutgar's battle report on Da Warpath
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=24082
(My apologies if I posted something already included, the post cuts off mid sentence on my computer) Thanks for posting these here as well. :::cheers:::
Warlord--did you purchase the trireme for wargaming or just as a model? I'm sort of interested in finding or making a gallease in 28 mm. (Sort of as in I've been thinking about it for 10 yrs or so...)
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/proddetail.asp?prod=LW-01
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Bit of both. Thought it would look good with my Cartheginean army, and one day perhaps for gaming.
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what pirates of the caribian toys are those can i have a link?,
can you give us a few picks of your boat warlord? :icon_biggrin:
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The official website for the Mega Block toys are:
http://www.megabrands.com/en/kids/pirates/index.php
The same item on amazon can be found here:
http://www.amazon.com/Mega-Pirates-Caribbean-Deluxe-Black/dp/B000M8E6XC/ref=pd_sim_t_6
I bought the Black Pearl and the Flying Dutchman for $30 on Craigslist.
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wahh them buggers are expensive!
thx for the links your great :::cheers:::
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Like Rutgar said it depends on how you buy them. Deals exist.
Oh and thanks for sharing that cog! Nice ship for Empire.
:::cheers:::
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That MegaBlok ship is way cool. I'll have to keep an eye out for one on Ebay; I'm looking for a flagship for my undead pirates.
Also keep in mind that a lot of times you can sell the leftover bits and figures from Playmobil or MegaBlok ships on Ebay, reducing your overhead a little... I mean yer can ransom the crew after ya takes over the vessel, yarr!
This might be a good time to mention a project I've been thinking about: http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=27961.0
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I'm looking for a flagship for my undead pirates.
If you are looking for one of these, than the Flying Dutchman is the perfect ship! It's huge and completely undead looking.
As for deals, don't forget yard sales. I think everyone has someone who likes to go to yard sales. Be they wives, mothers, or even grand mothers. You can pick up these ships in unexpected places.
Also watch for toy stores that go out of business.
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I notice interest continues to grow in ships, (mainly 'cos MrDW has bought a boat, and Shadowwolf mentioned it) - so this important thread is getting a revival, in fact it may even get sticky status.
Maybe it should go to the CT as we are probably talking about LotHS and other skirmish type rules?
Anyway I wante dto know if anyone has bought cannons for their boats. My Black Cat Bases boats came with a lot of accessories, but the cannons had no 'trolleys', so I have to build something to support them.
MrDW's boat
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4651/boat3b.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1038/boat2j.jpg
from here: http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/cannon.htm
seem a bit small to us.
However Old Glory do some:
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=510
and I wonder of anyone has bought some of them and can give us a size comparison to a 28mm figure. I don't expect cannons the size of our Empire Great Cannons on a ship, but I think I am looking for a variety that will be around half to one third of a great cannon.
I looked at Dwarf cannons, but again you would have to build a small wheeled trolley to "run the guns in and out".
Any ideas guys?
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Guns--I use the old Weapons and Warriors ones.
There is also this supplier-
http://www.modelexpo-online.com/search.asp?UID=2008100122383145&SKW=brass@&PAGLEN=20&STARTPAGE=1
As to where you put the thread, that's up to you. I'll post on it where-ever. Most games I play are Warhammer Ahoy! or General's Compendium rules sets. Right now I'm using Warhammer Ahoy! in a Mordhiem campaign.
http://boringmordheimforum.forumieren.com/battle-reports-and-fluff-f11/pirates-of-sartosa-the-venerable-mordheim-campaign-photos-t1577.htm
I will be playing LotHS too.
I've started a thread for comparing the available rules systems on Da 'path. Eventually I hope to post the ideas here as well.
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=24197
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Your specific 'modelexpo' link doesn't work properly, though the home page is ok.
I had it bookmarked, from previously in this thread I think, and found it didn't work yesterday.
I think this whole thread will be better in the CT - it does contain some nice stuff of B&P interest, but mainly it is about various games related to Boats and Pirates, and has tenuous links to Fantasy Battle.
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Now this IS counts tavern. :engel:
Edit: Finally, my crew arrived!
Edit2: Oh glorious tricorne redcoat marines!
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Your specific 'modelexpo' link doesn't work properly, though the home page is ok.
I had it bookmarked, from previously in this thread I think, and found it didn't work yesterday.
Odd about the link, it does work on my ancient machine. :?
Speaking of pirates, more women (in the "historical" section)
http://www.bronzeagemin.com/
MrD--hope you find an opponent!
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Odd about the link, it does work on my ancient machine. :?
Back working for me now. I could get the main site, but the drop down links for 'Cannon' and 'Brass' wouldn't work - it was a site fault as the page part-loaded and then said 'routing error' or 'bad link' or something :icon_wink:
SO which cannons do you buy from them. I see various sizes on trolleys and I assume the (40mm) for example, refers to the length of the barrell?
Have you used the 'dummy' ones as well?
Speaking of pirates, more women (in the "historical" section)
http://www.bronzeagemin.com/
They quote 32mm in the Gallery - a tad big, but the limited bits I saw looked ok.
As for old Whitey - we may end up playing some LotHS at the Eurobash in August - as we have 3 days of gaming booked and I certainly don't want to play Fantasy all 3 days.
Mordheim, and Legends may make a decent change.
Oh sorry just remembered Whitey was whinging he couldn't make it,
:engel:
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Oh sorry just remembered Whitey was whinging he couldn't make it,
:engel:
Hey :-P If I can get some games of LotHS in, I might re-evaluate my spending to accomodate it. I had to pay a lot more in the past month for a few things than was expected, so it was looking bleak.
Really, if transport can be sorted I can make it. Especially for LotHS. :engel: (and some mordheim)
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I have been pondering something and I figured the best place to ask it would be over here at WE (as opposed to Da Warpath).
What era is GW's Old World equivalent to in earth history? I'm especially thinking about naval ships. What kind of ships are they and what kind of naval warfare did they use? Is there anything official?
The reason that I am asking is that over at Da Warpath, we are trying to come up with an all encompassing system for naval combat. So far, there are three systems (General's Compendium, Legends of the High Seas, and Warhammer Ahoy!) that all have good aspects to them, but none of them work all around. So, we are trying to come up with a good system overall. Of course, there are not a lot of people who have tried LotHS and we welcome people to voice their opinion over there: http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showforum=92 (http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showforum=92)
How many cannons are used? What types of ships are used? Are oars used? I know that there is an inclination to gear things more from the Golden Age of piracy. We are all wanting to have large sailing ships with rows of cannons blasting off at each other. So, that's another thing. Do we try to go for accurate, or do we go for fun?
I've never looked at Man o' War and that might be the best insight into trying to figure out how to develop a game that is more in style with the official rules. Has anyone played that much? How do you kill off other ships? Is it via war machines? If so, what kinds are used? How deadly are they? How do elves do it? Do bolt throwers do enough hull damage? Is there a lot of ramming? Does it usually require boarding actions to finish things off? I'm tempted to think that Man o' War might have worked out a decent system and balanced.
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Well, with the empire I found this: http://www.mapsandmoreshop.de/mow/empire.htm Look nice to me.
Legend of the High Seas has a maximum of ten cannons per ship, but that is for the largest ships. The medium ones can have eight, and small ones can have four. The size of the ship also dictates how deadly the cannons are, small ships do 1 hull point at strength 7 or so, whilst the big ships can have cannons which do d6 points of hull at a higher strength.
Cannons are fired by guessing range, then rolling a d6. 1 is a misfire, and some others are "Short by d6, long by d6, critical hit". Cannons can't hurt crew, as they'd pretty much insta gib them.
You can ram other ships, though it's 50/50 you'll hurt your own ship, though if a small ship rams a big one, it's 5/6 to hurt itself. :icon_mrgreen:
The crews can move about the ship, but certain amounts must be allocated to running the ship, else it go adrift, and each cannon requires 1 person to fire once per two turns, two people to fire every turn. The ships move d6+an amount determined by wind direction and size of the ship. The ships turn a certain amount depending on size of the ship.
The crew etc all follow the rules for Lord of the Rings, as that's what the system is based on. Captains and such as Fight(might) and Fate points like in LotR, but no Will. Guns generally only fire once per two turns due to reload times, and aren't especially deadly. Almost everyone only hits on a 5+ except heroes and Royal Navy Marines (Huzzah!) who hit on 4+. The average strength of all guns and melee is 3, and defence is 3, so pretty much all wound on a 4+.
There's lots more, and it's another awesome all colour rulebook, I do love it. The lure of playing it at eurobash is enough to make me consider not buying lots of fried food for a month or two to pay to get there. :icon_mrgreen:
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Rutgar@if you go back to the first post on this thread, the guy who started the thread asked a similar question about the navies of the Warhammer world! Read the first couple of pages. (For a Warpath perspective check out Da Kaptain's Orcs of da Karibbean thread. Blacksquig and his lot are big into Man O' War Warhammer scale.)
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=22350&st=0
:::cheers:::
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Well, with the empire I found this: http://www.mapsandmoreshop.de/mow/empire.htm Look nice to me.
Nice link - he's done a good job making those ships!
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Yeah, I like the other fleets two. But the Dark Elf one made me laugh with the Arc having a giant skull. I think it's an Arc. :?
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@Von Kurst: I did actually re-read this entire thread in the past couple days and I do recall someone saying that Empire ships in Man o' War were more rowing ships. There wasn't a lot of discussion on damage between ships fighting in Man o' War. Also, it's been a long time since I read that thread on the Orcs of the Karibbean. I didn't know that it was modified Man o' War combat. I will have to reach out to Snagafang and pick his brain. Or maybe Goomb has done so already....
@MrDWhitey : Thanks for that link! It's a good one and goes into some description of the various ships. It gives me a good idea about the fleets.
How can you get your hands on the Man o' War rules? I know its OOP, but is it free online somewhere, like Mordheim or Warmaster? It would be a shame if the only way to get it would be to buy an old copy off ebay. I'm sure it's got some great background info, too.
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As for the rules there is some arcane ritual involving a secret password and animal sacrifice. Blacksquig explained it to me after CiM. There's a link through the Man o' War Yahoo group. You have to join for access. I haven't found it particularly useful, but I get 3 to 20 Man o' War e-mails a day now.
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I'm sure it's got some great background info, too.
Very little, actually. Almost none.
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Hey Rutgar:
Personally I am not too worried about delving too deep for fluff.
I want to play with ships using my current minis, so I am using 20mm square bases, and my 'pirates' will go back to their regular units after the game. :icon_wink:
I want to keep it simple and having the familiar fantasy feel I am uses to.
Skirmishing minis, and cannons, and then a few add-ons will do nisely thanks.
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But the Dark Elf one made me laugh with the Arc having a giant skull. I think it's an Arc. :?
Its a special Black Arc. No animosity.
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Well, some background fluff would be nice, but I think there are ways to get interesting things from Man o' War. Brettonian ships are all sail and have a good number of cannons. Empire ships are oar and sail driven. They have cannons in the front, rear, as well as the sides. These are the types of things that you can use to tweak a different game system and make it interesting.
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Hey Rutgar:
Personally I am not too worried about delving too deep for fluff.
I want to play with ships using my current minis, so I am using 20mm square bases, and my 'pirates' will go back to their regular units after the game. :icon_wink:
I want to keep it simple and having the familiar fantasy feel I am uses to.
Skirmishing minis, and cannons, and then a few add-ons will do nisely thanks.
Filthy pirate. The Royal Navy shall have you. :x
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I've talked to Kaptain Blacksquig and he's been telling me of his system for mixing Man o' War with bigger ships and real WHFB minis. It sounds pretty cool and might be what I am looking for in a system. Of course, other people might not like it as much since there is no S vs Toughness tests when you hit ships. Still, I think his tweaked system is pretty cool (or sounds it).
I have yet to look at the LotHS rules yet, though. I know several people here really like them.
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Another supplier--
http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/Pirate_Supplies_Store.html
And cannon--
http://www.thomarillion.de/index.php?seite=katalog&sprache=gb_&modell=schiffskanone&pos=3&PHPSESSID=2e8e1d619812f79aca20511cda363b91
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Games of War have added a new ship - the Sea Prince.
It's actually more expensive at £55.00 than the bigger 'large' ship - the Ocean King.
However they seem to have upped the quality level.
Von Kurst's link above will get you to the whole range, but here are some bigger pics.
http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/info_GOW_PS003.html
I've also ordered some stuff from the Pirate Ships (minimi ) place MrDW got his boat from, but I've gone for the smaller Junk and Pinnace as I have a couple of bigger ones already - the fleet grows ................ :icon_wink:
Went hunting cannon as well - my local hobby shop got a couple of small packets ordered from some UK wholesaler for me.
The bigger size didn't turn up, but judging by the smaller one's size it won't be any good.
It appears that the dimensions are for length and diameter of the cannon barrell - I got a packet for £3.19 which has two cannons in it 28mm long x 4mm diameter. It's a kit with the carriage in pieces too.
I suppose they are just about the thickness of a GW 28mm human leg.
The problem is they are smaller than a Galloper gun.
I know that there is an imbalance in the scales between the 28mm figures we are using and what the suppliers classify as 28mm scale ships.
The cannons need to be about half the size of our great cannons to my mind. You want them to look large enough to look capable of damaging another ship, but not to take up to much deck space and interfere with 'boarding' actions.
I've ordered a few with the boats above so we'll see how they stack up.
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Games of War have added a new ship - the Sea Prince.
It's actually more expensive at £55.00 than the bigger 'large' ship - the Ocean King.
However they seem to have upped the quality level.
Von Kurst's link above will get you to the whole range, but here are some bigger pics.
http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/info_GOW_PS003.html
That is a nice looking ship. Annoyingly though, the crows nest is pretty useless for gaming standards. The one that comes with the ship I got is designed to have a single mini up there, so I like it.
I've also ordered some stuff from the Pirate Ships (minimi ) place MrDW got his boat from, but I've gone for the smaller Junk and Pinnace as I have a couple of bigger ones already - the fleet grows ................ :icon_wink:
I'm feeling inadequate now. :icon_mrgreen: However I do have a full Imperial fleet for Uncharted Seas. :wink:
I know that there is an imbalance in the scales between the 28mm figures we are using and what the suppliers classify as 28mm scale ships.
The cannons need to be about half the size of our great cannons to my mind. You want them to look large enough to look capable of damaging another ship, but not to take up to much deck space and interfere with 'boarding' actions.
I've ordered a few with the boats above so we'll see how they stack up.
The 28 mm scale models I purchased from Black Scorpion are actually pretty damn big. They're more 32mm scale, but they're still proportionally correct, so it's not so bad.
On the cannon thing, the ones I bought from minimi are -tiny-, but in all honesty I don't mind, it gives me more space to put models on the deck.
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I have just purchased these :
1 x http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/lsloop.htm
2 x http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/whaler.htm
1 x http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/brig.htm
To go with the Navy and Pirate crew I bought at salute (guess who tempted me into that...)
First half of the order(whalers and sloop) came in today and I'm quite impressed with the quality. I'll probably be using them unpainted at first, something the brown resin used easily allows...
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Yours were brown? My large sloop came in as black!
No fielding unpainted ship for me. :icon_cry:
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You could field her as the "Black Pearl"....
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I'm using the Royal Navy. :icon_mrgreen:
Blast it all, I cannot wait till the end of next week, my exams will be done, and I can set out doing my ship up proud. Adding rigging, sails, and most importantly, majestic flags!
And possibly a steering wheel. :engel:
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I would appreciate any drawings of the sails you make. Since our boats are the same....
My Navy sails the brig, by the way. Sloop is reserved for the pirates...
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I have just purchased these :
1 x http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/lsloop.htm
2 x http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/whaler.htm
1 x http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/brig.htm
To go with the Navy and Pirate crew I bought at salute (guess who tempted me into that...)
First half of the order(whalers and sloop) came in today and I'm quite impressed with the quality. I'll probably be using them unpainted at first, something the brown resin used easily allows...
I knew you wouldn't resist for long. :engel: Lewis is sending me 4 fighting tops so I can sort out the Salute boats. I bought some brass tube on Saturday that will fit in the deck holes - well in one it it tight, the other is a bit wobbly, - probably means a heavy two-part glue!
In MrDW's pics, his Sloop looks black and I though he'd sprayed it.
I look forward to seeing the colour of the Pinnace and Junk I have ordered.
On the cannon thing, the ones I bought from minimi are -tiny-, but in all honesty I don't mind, it gives me more space to put models on the deck.
Which was mainly my point - I've also ordered 4 each of the cannons - again looking at MrDW's pics they certainly seem bigger than the ones I found on the weekend.
and I can set out doing my ship up proud. Adding rigging, sails, and most importantly, majestic flags!
The people at Games of War also emailed back and there was a bit about rigging and sails:
On the Sea Dog and Prince the sail material is not included - we just used rolled up toilet roll tied to the mast! At the moment nothing extra special. I have been looking at different ways at producing furled and unfurled sails. The unfurled sails, I have been trying to do full of wind as opposed to just flat pieces of material.
As for rigging, we used thread elastic (shearing elastic) as this stays nice and taught all the time, also if you catch it when placing your models on the ship or moving them about, it normally doesn't come to any harm.
Tarting up the basic ship is quite important I think.
I think some form of sails would look good and some rigging, but it is important to make sure you have good access to the decks for on board fighting. My plan is to make my masts lift out easily for transporting, and it has occurred that I could have two sets - one with sails unfurled, for ship v ship action, and then one set with the sails 'rolled up' for dockside skirmishing .................
The boats I got at Salute from Black Cat Bases had been rushed I think to get them ready for launching at the show - hence the problems with the masts. There were quite a few metal accessories as I detailed earlier in the thread.
The swivel guns, and the wheel were certainly good ideas.
Hot news - I just had an email back from Lewis and he has plans for a bigger cannon, and a Swivel Gun.
It would appear that the manufacturers are open to any feedback or ideas for improving things.
:engel:
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I have been buying up the megabloks pirate sets recently.
I have:
1 Black Pearl
1 mini Black Pearl
1 Flying Dutchmen
1 mini Flying Dutchmen
1 mini Junk Empress
have yet to find a full size Empress.
Have also puchased a toy Pirate Ship from Ebay which looks to be well sized. It came with a Row Boat also.
Tell you what, filling off the knobs that the you use to connect everything together sure is a task - plus it leaves lots of little holes all over the deck. I need to figure out a better way to 'fix' the decking.
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I have been buying up the megabloks pirate sets recently.
Tell you what, filling off the knobs that the you use to connect everything together sure is a task - plus it leaves lots of little holes all over the deck. I need to figure out a better way to 'fix' the decking.
Soth and I saw a demonstration game at Salute where one of the guys had taken proper Lego boats and done the same.
Looking at them, with the excellent paint job it was hard to tell they had been Lego boats.
However the amount of time he took was horrendous apparently.
I suppose you do have some 'building control' as you can add/subtract bricks as required.
As to fixing the decking - the plethora of High Street coffee shops now in England is an ideal source for wooden coffee stirrers, which just happen to be ideal for planking ....................
As I posted earlier, I think my attitude is going to be keeping the boats fairly simple, so on board fights are easier.
I will do my best at a paintjob, and I do want sails, some rigging, and accessories, but carefully positioned to leave the deck free for the swashbuckling ...............
:engel:
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Perhaps bringing a few boats to the Eurobash would be a good idea? As board, we wouldn't need more than a blue cloth or a painted table. And it would make great pictures :smile2:
Shadowwolf
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Perhaps bringing a few boats to the Eurobash would be a good idea? As board, we wouldn't need more than a blue cloth or a painted table. And it would make great pictures :smile2:
Shadowwolf
Way ahead of you ..................... :engel:
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I'll make sure to bring mine.... :engel:
And one of our club members has this nice blue plastic cloth he uses for WW2 naval battles....
Now to get the crew painted in time.... :Ohmy:
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Tell you what, filling off the knobs that the you use to connect everything together sure is a task - plus it leaves lots of little holes all over the deck. I need to figure out a better way to 'fix' the decking.
This might be a crazy idea, but what about filling the deck with resin to cover the connectors? It would reduce the amount of filing you'd have to do.
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True. I have attempted just laying some random bits of wood I had (paddlepop sticks) over the top, and it looked decent after applying a bit of paint. Other than that though, the amount of work that goes into it would be minimal.
I have even over the past few weeks been stick together some crew for my various boats. I finished a good looking unit of Zombie pirates the other week, and tonight put together 12 kitbashed long drongs pirates (I have 15 of the real thing, but right now I am slightly obsessed with the idea of making as many DoW choices as I can out of plastic....)
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The 'minis building' element has also got me going too.
I have a large unit of Long Drongs - actual models and several conversions I did.
I also made a unit of 20 militia all with the cutlass swords a while back that need painting.
I picked up a couple of blisters of Foundry Orcs with the puffy sleeves at Salute that are crying out for a boat ...........
...... and I am also wondering whether a ship should set sail from Erengrad because I can manage a painted crew from there ........... :icon_wink:
......would it be stretching things too far to have a tame bear aboard?
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I have been buying up the megabloks pirate sets recently.
I have:
1 Black Pearl
1 mini Black Pearl
1 Flying Dutchmen
1 mini Flying Dutchmen
1 mini Junk Empress
have yet to find a full size Empress.
Have also puchased a toy Pirate Ship from Ebay which looks to be well sized. It came with a Row Boat also.
Tell you what, filling off the knobs that the you use to connect everything together sure is a task - plus it leaves lots of little holes all over the deck. I need to figure out a better way to 'fix' the decking.
Oh the Flying Dutchman! Ship envy!
Filing off the nubs on my ships was a pain. I like the amount of room I get on the deck and preserving the details of the basic ship. But getting rid of the nubs and working on gun ports is all I've accomplished. One of my friends had great success with 2 part resin. He filed the nubs off and filled the holes with the resin.
The guy who did the conversions on the ships posted by Rutgar just planked over them. Its a nice look. I'm at the hole filling stage right now, I've been not working on several ships since November...
Erengard. I'd recommend a Cog for that...like the model ship posted earlier. And the bear would be awesome.
Cannon. I use the Weapons and Warrior toys, but they are starting to bug me because of the space they take up. I like some of the Warmachine cannon but they are huge and expensive.
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The flying dutchman really is a beautiful creation.
I think there was a sale at Toys 'R' Us the other week, and they had some Flying Dutchmen and Black Pearls for AUD $60 and $40 - if anyone is interested, I can head back there tomorrow and check it out...
In so far as tempting me to collect Ships, Von Kurst, your stories in the Imperial Office pushed me over the edge about a month or so ago, as well as so many beautiful pictures in this thread...
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In so far as tempting me to collect Ships, Von Kurst, your stories in the Imperial Office pushed me over the edge about a month or so ago, as well as so many beautiful pictures in this thread...
Ah, thankee lad. It warms me old pirate heart...
:::cheers:::
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Second part of my order, the brig, came in.
Unfortunately the stern had broke off. I mailed the facts to minimi, including a picture of the damage, and asked them for a response.
The guy mailed right back, stating that although this was a first for him, he'd immediately send me a new hull...
That's great customer service for you
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I got my order through today - all fine and dandy.
I need to start sorting the masts out .............
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The guy running it is a good bloke. Was happy with the service, and glad he got a few more sales from this place. :engel:
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I've been name-dropping and talking via email about extras to the ranges.
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Just noticed this table and the ships--
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=10448.0
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=10643.0
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=9868.0
:::cheers:::
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Awesome stuff there. :icon_biggrin:
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Second part of my order, the brig, came in.
Unfortunately the stern had broke off. I mailed the facts to minimi, including a picture of the damage, and asked them for a response.
The guy mailed right back, stating that although this was a first for him, he'd immediately send me a new hull...
That's great customer service for you
New hull arrived in one piece.
I'd recommend this seller to anyone ! ! !
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More LotHS stuff--
http://plasticlegions.blogspot.com/
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Started on my first ship :
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=29041.0
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So forum's down and what happens - I get a phonecall from Soth telling me how he has just spent lunchtime painting pirates - I think he said he's got 7 done now. :icon_rolleyes:
Anyway I have sorted some brass tubing to support my masts, found the appropriate dowel to fit inside the tubing, and am planning my cross spars and the rigging.
We had some discussion about sails - I have seen tissue paper soaked in PVA mentioned, and Soth has used hobby shop sail cloth - any other suggestions.
I have been toying with ways of making mine 'run/furl' up and down - anyone tried it.
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So as the forums were down (I did check the site on my phone whilst at GW all day :eusa_wall: ), soth can't take it and must phone people? :engel:
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Hey , I just wanted to know what was going on with the forums... Other info was merely given as a side commentary.... And who started saying he was tempted to go buy supplies for his ships ?
Anyway, 7 pirates painted, as Midaski said.
And MrDWhitey, if you want me to call you when the forum is down, just ask.... :engel:
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It would be wonderful. :wink:
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I've just spent most of the evening - well the footie was crap - setting up my new blackberry ..............
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We had some discussion about sails - I have seen tissue paper soaked in PVA mentioned, and Soth has used hobby shop sail cloth - any other suggestions.
I have been toying with ways of making mine 'run/furl' up and down - anyone tried it.
Sails--I have 2 ships with plastic sails that the Weapons and Warriors ships come with. These are handy but a bit small for the overall scale of the ships.
Megablocks ships come with cloth sails and I have toyed with the idea of gathering them up for dockside scenarios as well. There are some elastic ties I've seen that look like rope...
Playmobil ships come with vinyl sails. Sadly many of them are made with cheesy battle damage. The rigs on Playmobil's ships are very realistic and detailed for toys for toddlers.
My friend used parchment for his sails. They have lasted about 6 yrs and stand up to 4 to 6 battles a month.
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An oriental flavor--
http://unofficial-okkothegame.blogspot.com/search/label/plateaux
Junks!
And another European ship--
http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/info_GOW_PS003.html
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I've been working on my MegaBloks Pirates of the Caribbean "Black Pearl". I hope to turn it into a bit of tutorial on how to do it.
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5948.jpg~original)
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Very inspiring. I love it!
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I feel the need to update on the boats I mentioned earlier in the thread from Black Cat Bases.
I bought two and initially only opened one of the accompanying metal accessories packs.
I did expound on what a good collection I thought had been supplied, but was disappointed that I had 4 cannon barrels but no carriages.
Well when this idiot :icon_wink: finally opened the second pack - lo and behold there were cannons and carriages, so I obviously had a faulty first pack.
Anyway an email to BCB prompted a positive response, and I decided to order some piratey minis at the same time.
My box just arrived - my 4 missing carriages plus 4 free complete cannons.
Some free female heads which I had asked about, and a free mini diorama of a figure clinging to a floating barrel.
Having also had a 'senior' moment :engel: on the order when I asked for 2 of a mini instead of 1, I asked by email if they could swap one out for an ordinary seaman - so what happens I get 2 seamen ..................
Now that's what I call service :icon_exclaim:
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I did some work this weekend on my ship. I've detailed it all in my blog:
Watching Paint Dry - A slow motion blog (http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=23653&st=45&#last)
I still would like to turn it into a bit of a tutorial one day. Here's where I am at now.
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_5973.jpg~original)
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Looking mighty fine.
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Looking good, but where are the guns? Is it a brig?
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I'm not sure if it's considered a Brig. It's the Megablok "Pirates of the Caribbean" ship "the Black Pearl" (which has lots of quotes around all that).
I haven't put any guns on it yet and it depends on what game system I am using. The big ship guy in my area likes to use the Warhammer Ahoy! rules, which says the gun ports on the bottom are fine to be used as cannons. That means I will have 4 per side, as all large ships do. If I switch to a different system, I can always just put the cannon on the deck. I have some Empire cannons, a Hellblaster, and a 3rd party cannon (and I plan to get more). So, I don't think I'm short on giving a full broadside anytime soon.
I worked a little bit more on the forward deck. Once I get it all glued down, it's time to prime and paint! :biggriin:
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It's a brig if its guns are on the open top deck.
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There are pictures showing the gun ports on page 6. Does anyone have a source for plans of a galleon? I always see side views never top views or views of the interior of the ship...
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We probably do need to collate all the resources material into one place at some stage.
In the meantime I have been delving deeper into my LotHS rulebook, as some pimp belgian captain has issued a challenge :icon_wink:
I have been looking at how you get a better ship - and it seems the only way is to have a non-player crew (NPC) encounter.
As your crew starts with a small ship and you want a medium ship, you are risking a lot that way.
I may be missing something but I cannot see a way of buying a larger ship if you build up your doubloons in a camapign.
I think you can transfer cannons from your ship to a captured ship, and you can buy rare extra cannons, but it doesn't seem like you can buy a bigger ship.
You are also limited to one ship per crew, though I suppose you could use your little boat(s) if you have any for a multi-pronged attack.
It would be quite good if you could graduate to 2 or more 'small' ships, and then take on a medium ship for example.
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there is the steal a ship scenario which lets you generate a ship and then steal it...
Playing my first game tomorrow, by the way...
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I'm not sure if it's considered a Brig.
A brig is two-masted AFAIK.
"In nautical terms, a brig is a vessel with two square-rigged masts."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brig
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Lies! E:TW says it's a ship with its guns on the open top deck. :wink:
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there is the steal a ship scenario which lets you generate a ship and then steal it...
Playing my first game tomorrow, by the way...
I hope to have a game or two after my son comes back from Uni next week.
Are you starting with the 200 doubloons?
We probably need an inventory of vessels and crews.
I have two 'small' ships and two 'medium' ships and two little boats - if I can get them painted up before EB09 then maybe we can interest a few others.
I've also joined the Yahoo group - they have some resources forms that I have downloaded, and can email anyone if they want them.
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"A brig is two-masted AFAIK."
"AFAIK" ?
"Lies! E:TW says it's a ship with its guns on the open top deck."
"E:TW" ??
A ship nears completion--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/playtable/3623323187/
Cheers!
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I really need to do some work on my stuff - we're only 3 weeks away from the Eurobash.
Soth and I are trying to have some extra boats, and maybe crews - though Free Company will work - so that we can let some others have a go.
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The Merry Mermaid on LAF--
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=12259.0
I'm counting on you lads for some great photos of ship battles!
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I think I recall that this thread has been given unlimited shelf life. So, I am not trying to practice threadomancy. Please keep the Witch Hunters off.
I finally got around to doing more work on my Black Pearl model. I thought I had finished all the wood, but realized there were a few more mast pieces that I found. It looks better with full rigging. I need to paint those. There are also a lot of non-wood bits all over this thing.
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8285.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8274.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8275.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8277.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8276.jpg~original)
Sorry, no flash for these...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8279.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8281.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8280.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8282.jpg~original)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w64/heychadwick/IMG_8283.jpg~original)
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I am impressed Rutgar - I just wish I'd been working on mine all this time too. :icon_rolleyes:
Soth and I were discussing tis a week or so ago, and thinking we need to get follow up Von Kurst and his adapted Warhammer Ahoy rules.
I do feel there is a market for a good rules set with ship v ship(s) battles, and boarding actions.
LotHS seems to be too long winded firing cannons and the skirmish rules are like a poor man's Mordheim - a tad too simplistic.
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I didn't see this thread the first time around so Im pleased with the threadomancy! I've posted this in my pirates thread but heres my (still unfinished) ship 'The Sea Prince.'
(http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv258/wallumc1/DSCF2095.jpg)
(http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv258/wallumc1/DSCF2093.jpg)
By the way Rutgar, your ship is amazing. As are a lot of the others that have been posted.
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I'm a huge fan of constructive threadomancy, and think these pics were well worth the wait. Can't wait to see more! Are you planning on any additional rigging?
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I'm a huge fan of constructive threadomancy, and think these pics were well worth the wait. Can't wait to see more! Are you planning on any additional rigging?
Not sure if the was aimed at me or Rutgar but if you meant me then yes, I have the rigging, cannons, anchor, swivel guns etc. Just haven't got around to painting them yet.
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Its back! Next time we need a video of the ship rising from the depths with water pouring off its decks...
@Rutgar--nice to see some paint on the old girl. Keep going.
@IF--love 'The Sea Prince". I remember asking you who made it when you posted it in the BP. Looking through this thread I came across a link I posted when it was released! Oh well.
Not ships but maybe 'counts as Maneaters'
http://cavalcadewargames.comcavalcadeDragonblood_Dark_Mariners.html
Micheals is selling this for $6.
http://www.amazon.com/Creatology-Wooden-Puzzle-Military-Sailing/dp/B003MRNL72/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1275316254&sr=1-15
For $6 its a nice objective or wreck with a bit of work. The masts are flimsy and would need to be replaced with dowel.
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Thanks guys! I need to finish the other mast pieces that I found and make sure to paint all the small detail, too.
I had a few ideas for making some greenskin ships, too. I just need some free time to get them going. I should probably wait until I finish the Pearl, though...
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Looks great! What colors did you use for the priming/painting?
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1) Apple Barrel 21128 Brown Oxide (from Wal-mart?) It's really runny and not that good, but it is the next step in brown. I have a 16 oz container of it and use it liberally.
2) Apple Barrel M20389 Spice Brown (from Michael's - and some sort of Michael's special version of Apple Barrel). It's a nice brown and I don't use as much of it as the previous.
3) Americana Honey Brown (from Hobby Lobby or Michael's). Not too much of this as it's really light. It is lighter than Snakebite Leather and I like it a lot.
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Instead of a ship rising from the depths--
Some squidness for Rufus
(http://h-4.abload.de/img/fruttidimareoverview01kqbq.jpg)
The full post--
http://massivevoodoo.blogspot.com/2011/05/frutti-di-mare-finished.html
The squid navy
(http://www.ssendam.org/blog/wp-content/gallery/pirate-ship-oha/oha-pirate-ship-2.jpg)
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Ha, fantastic!
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HAHAHAHA Thread-o-mancy the purest form there is. Reanimating a thread like this is a rare occasion but I think on dire times like these it is allowed. :biggriin:
I started with looking at 28mm sea games a couple a month ago and google-fu lead me right back to the warhammer forum. So I send a PM to Soth and yes he knew a game that might work and he had models a.k.a. ships!!
So searching on the internet I found several vessels looking mighty fine but also mighty expensive. So looking for alternatives I stumbled into the 3D wooden puzzles. the one below is the one I am working on right now. Although I thought it to be bigger it is when completely done I nice little 9 inch boat and therefor playable for Warhammer Legends of the high seas.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla001.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla001.jpg.html)
The original model is not a waterline model so my biggest investment in the whole where tools. But if you invest properly they will last a life time.
1 resin ship, 3 wooden vessels, 1 Sea Dog #2 from games of war and a number of cannon and ships tools and stuff will bring the total amount spent sofar on 150 euro.
My first idea was 3 vessels for 180 pounds, but one vessel was not playable for warhammer Legends of the high seas, so....
The fleet when assembled will be at 150 euro for 5 medium vessels and 3 jolly boats and tenders. Models on the vessels will be my Estalian troopers so no extra expenditure there. The Royal Navy will be named Armada Española :biggriin: :biggriin:
The other two wooden vessels: the pirateship is 12 inches long the Santa Maria I did not build together yet but I think it is about 9 inches as wel as the Golden Hind.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla003.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla003.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla002.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla002.jpg.html)
(3 wooden vessels for 65,70 euros is not bad at all)
WIP photo's of the Golden Hind. Replaced the thin wooden masts with sturdy round ones (9mm diameter mast rest is 6mm diameter) I magnetised everything except the mast and the bowsprit. Once sails are attached to the masts I can easily remove them for transport or game play.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla004.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla004.jpg.html)
And here visible the small size of the Hind. In all I will put 4 half cannons (gun ports with protruding half guns in them) and 2 cannons on the centre deck for a whole woopinh 3 gun broadside leaving space on deck and the mast for 9 or 10 crew members.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla005.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla005.jpg.html)
Sofar my record breaking thread-o-mancy. Enjoy!
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Those are great kits. :::cheers::: I really like the look of the Hind. It looks very Warhammerish as is.
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Galleons really have that look indead :icon_biggrin:
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Midaski awards this thread the very special:
"Immunity to Threadomancy"
as he thinks it is a cracking thread and wants to see it kept alive rather than new odd threads springing up.
:engel:
See the date :engel:
I bought two of these a couple of weeks ago.
(http://northstarfigures.com/images/3/img6473.jpg)
http://northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=6473
They were on offer at £13.00 each :engel:
I'm also going to buy "On the Seven Seas" - an Osprey skirmish rules set
http://northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=173&page=1
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Shall the next Eurobash see naval battles again ?
Stay tuned to find out.....
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A few details to go.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/hennysflotilla009.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/hennysflotilla009.jpg.html)
Ship with almost all the sails. all magnetised (yep also the small line from the latin sail to the mizzen mast.)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla006.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla006.jpg.html)
Proof of the sails being removable.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla007.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla007.jpg.html)
No painting yet, just a new ship in the yard!
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla008.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla008.jpg.html)
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Games of war ship.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla011.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla011.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla012.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla012.jpg.html)
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I am getting better at making those sails :happy:
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Looks great!
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Nice work on the sails. Magnetizing is a great way to go. :::cheers:::
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http://www.shiftinglands.com/resin-projects/the-merchant-vessel/ <- resin ships, mostly suitable for warhammer ahoy imo, but the merchant ship is perfectly for a fat unarmed merchant. Maybe I am going to make 2 gun ports for just 1 gun per side... but really no more.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla002-1.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla002-1.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla003-1.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla003-1.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla001-1.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla001-1.jpg.html)
The changes on the lower picture is obvious I guess. almost ready for the primer. I still want to make with cardboard silouettes of figures a "carved" back.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla004-1.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla004-1.jpg.html)
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Looking good - the problem we found back a few years was you need rigging and sails for it to look good, but they got in the way of onboard action.
So your plan to make it removable is most excellent. I need to sort mine out. I have sort of painted my boats, but my masts are a bit wonky which has put me off doing the sales and rigging.
Still I will try to have it sorted for next years Bash.
Is the greenstuff holding the magnets?
Are you going to sink them into the masts?
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The magnets are sunken in the mast and are held in place with greenstuff. You make two carves in the wood and remove the material in between. the space created I put some super glue into it, then greenstuff and then more superglue on the magnet before I push it in.
The magnets are not complete sunk into the mast like this but just enough to give the greenstuff a descent chance to get a hold of something. When the ships are painted and the greenstuff humps will be less obvious/visible then they are now. So no, I am not going to sink them further into the mast. If the look of it bothers to much I can still wrap ropes around the mast on those spots to camouflage the magnets.
The problems you describe.
Sails and rigging: I read as much as I could about building miniature ships in the first place. Especially the blogs on converting toys into useable wargamming vessels were very interesting. An advice taken from a blog was;"building a miniature wargaming ship is a balance of ethics and being playable." -> This makes me look at a 28mm ship as a piece of scenery, movable but still scenery. Scenery needs to be practical, models must be able to move and I must reach these models fairly easy to make them move. That is why I choose for removable sails and as few as possible rigging. Just think of an ethical good looking piece of forest with removable trees to make acces possible for regiments.
Mast: I first build the Golden Hind as the puzzle was ment. Finding out that the mast was triplex and just looking at it would break it. So I went to a local DIY and bought 9mm and 6mm thick wooden dowels/sticks. I started building anew this time waterline model with a MDF bottom.
To attach the mast to the ship-> I glued 3 strips of MDF into a block (little more then half an inch) in which I drilled holes for the dowels to fit in. This gives a connection between ship and masts that is strong enough to pick up the ship without breaking the mast.
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Some close-ups maybe. in "a picture says more then a thousand words" kind a way.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla012-1.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla012-1.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla011-1.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla011-1.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla010.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla010.jpg.html)
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Thanks for the explanation of your magnets. I haven't worked on a new ship in years. but I have lots of inspiration for the 6 or so I have planned. :::cheers:::
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First steps of painting. The little'un is holding up for a painting scheme for the hull. everything is vermin brown, I am now putting washes of scorched brown, probably darkened again with black.
sails are a wash of Tausept ochre (a foundation paint) the little'un had two layers of wash on top of each other, which gives a pretty messy result.
The Golden Hind sails got two layers, one hanging the sails normally to dry, leaving the top of the sails lighter then the bottom, so layer number two I hung the sails up side down to dry (long live magnets :icon_wink:)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla1002.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla1002.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla1001.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla1001.jpg.html)
I grounded several cannons to decorate the holes in the sides of both ships. these seem fairly simple todo.
23 Januari first sail in sight! Probably on a table in Sint Niklaas a ship or two of Soth will be sighted. looking forward to let a first broadside go. :biggriin:
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Sails need to get toned down... lighter, this probably will give an idea of what it should look like finished.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla106.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla106.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla101.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla101.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla102.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla102.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennysflotilla104.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennysflotilla104.jpg.html)
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The ships are coming along nicely. The Hind is still my favorite. :::cheers:::
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They are looking good Henners.
Have you decided on a rules set you are going to try?
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Yes he has.
Legends of the High Seas
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Ah Ok - maybe I'll get them out and refresh my fuzzy mind.
Hell - I may even paint some pirates ................................ :closed-eyes:
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Well last Friday it happened: my computer got the flu.. and with that I brought it to the specialist for a check-up and a new verzion of windows.
Besides the fact that I look at the world through a new window I also experienced a computer free weekend. the following is the result.
some translation of the spanish: I don't speak spanish but old fashioned dictionaries (yes paper) help alot.
Ciervo: deer, stag
Corzo: roe, hind, doe
caprichoso: capricious, whimsical,fanciful, fickle
Ciervo stern
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1079.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1079.jpg.html)
Ciervo in her full glory
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(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1074.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1074.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1073.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1073.jpg.html)
Ciervo Guns
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla10712.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla10712.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla10711.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla10711.jpg.html)
Stern of well... Corzo
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1078.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1078.jpg.html)
Corzo in full sailing glory
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1077.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1077.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1076.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1076.jpg.html)
Corzo guns
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla10710.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla10710.jpg.html)
(Small) teeth
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1072.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1072.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1071.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1071.jpg.html)
I continued in the mean time with the pirate vessel, with a more modest speed because my dear friend computer is back in the house, and I have to buy more mast and spars (9mm and d6mm dowels) and then I am good to go on the rest of the fleet.
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Great job Henerius and very interesting as well.
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thanks, mostly curious or actually like any newbie anxious about the first battle :engel:
the third vessel (the white resin one) is full of bubbles so I am very busy with painting that one (actually drowning it in paint becaus filling those holes has no end to it. :|)
But that one will be painted too :biggriin:
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Soth and I had a fun game of Legends - on land in ruined scenery, but the end of game dice rolls can improve your stash and improve your crew - I think I rolled something special for a humble pirate guy - which he never benefited from as there wasn't a follow up game .............
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I played mordheim and the system looks almost the same. Mordheim is more complicated when I just read the rules.
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Legends of the High Seas uses the shooting and combat rules from Lord of the Rings, but with an experience and advancement system very much like Mordheim. Both make for great ship combats.
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I need to look at that again then - Soth, Shadowwolf and I had a 3 boat 'encounter' which was very long and very turgid.
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The ships are looking great :::cheers:::
My group still used the Warhammer Ahoy rules for Mordheimy pirate games, though we are up to the 3.0 version now. Not a fan of LotHS.
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This might be interesting - not due until May though.
https://www.facebook.com/northstarmilitaryfigures/posts/983453308350238
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I had a battle with Soth friday evening. The mechanics of the sailing and playing are fairly simple.
The game indeed uses the LOTR mechanics for the men which is fairly simple to learn. After the game the rolls for upgrades brings you to a Mordheim like setting.
I live 2 hours of drive away from Soth but maybe we will get a (slow paced) campaign going. first gotta finish my fleet. after that.. who knows.
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Jol with sails if necessary. The mast is removable.
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%208.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%208.jpg.html)
Second small vessel. this time with improved sails..
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%207.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%207.jpg.html)
Frigate with a 4 gun broadside
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%206.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%206.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%205.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%205.jpg.html)
Pirate hunter - 7 gun broadside
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%202.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%202.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%201.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%201.jpg.html)
Galleon - 6 gun broadside
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%203.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%203.jpg.html)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%204.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/Hennys%20Flotilla%20109%204.jpg.html)
The "bigger" vessels are all about 14 inches long. big enough for some fun gaming, small enough so they can be stowed away relative easily.
ready for undercoating.
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Wow! Those are great! :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
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Great to see your work on these models. I was going to use the ship you call a pirate hunter as a wreck, but I'm seeing possibilities.
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The "pirate hunter" is the biggest conversion sofar.
At the back the original model has two raised decks. I made one out off those two.
The front was rebuild as well to fit the front mast and the bowsprit into the was one single piece of wood.
All in all a fun conversion to do. :happy:
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Games of War new ship :happy:
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/Games%20of%20war%20new%20ship.png~original)
in 2012 a guy wrote in his blog that Games of war soon would produce new ships... 3 years later is soonish...
link to a photo of the new "small vessel" aka the cutter, the painted one is the out of production Sea Prince, the second "WIP-middle-size-ship" is going to be a Sea Prince revamp (available who knows), the last one (the big one in the end) is the most interesting one .
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XdfUpF1M66M/UGWofibciwI/AAAAAAAABRg/6Aa9_vHhvTA/s400/gow_preview.jpg
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Last summer I purchased two of Old Glory's smallest ships in 25/28mm, their 4 gun Brig and Gunship. After coming back from Fall-In! this past week, I now own their 6 gun Schooner, and their 10 Gun Brig. I also played in a Pirate vs. Spanish game while attending and plan to experiment with theguys rules wiht the 4 ships that I now have, and enjoy some gaming time with my nephews using these 4 ships, and in order to be fair, two of the cannon from the largest will shift over to the Schooner so that each side has a 4 cannon and 8 cannon ship to do battle on the high seas.
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I spoke to the Games of War guy at SELWG in London back in October.
He is a one man band - who has a store as I recall - and sounded like he had engineering experience as he made his own 'fittings' for the masts for example.
I saw one of his boats close up and the detail was excellent.
He explained for example that planks on a deck would have a gap between them, because it would then have pitch/tar spread over them to seal the deck - so he sculpted a slightly bigger gap so a black wash would replicate this.
Also each plank had 'nail' holes which would then show up when the wash was applied. You had to get close to see them :engel:
He also used some elasticated black cotton for rigging - kept to a minimum to allow figure movement still - which meant spars could be pivoted and the rigging would not sag.
Most intriguing were the fixing designs for spars to masts - one of the things Henerius and I have discussed as it is a big issue in getting the balance between a realistic look and being able to hold a battle on board easily.
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We gave up on rigging years ago. The guys I play with get snagged on spars, sails or just any old thing. One of the lads had just put his models on his ship last Thursday and caught the sail with his hand as he drew his hand back. Tsunami!
Recent games--
If you look close, you can see the loose 'rigging' strings trailing beside the ship.
(https://im1.shutterfly.com/procgtaserv/47a5cf24b3127cce985480f0631600000035110AbOXDRkzbMmWA)
(https://im1.shutterfly.com/procgtaserv/47a5cf24b3127cce985480f1e22700000035110AbOXDRkzbMmWA)
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(https://im1.shutterfly.com/procgtaserv/47a5cf24b3127cce985480e3e23500000035110AbOXDRkzbMmWA)
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So.... Empire vs Kremlings then. :icon_lol:
Awesome work on those ships and models. :eusa_clap:
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After all if you want to chase a Galleon .... then you must have a galleon.
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Very nice!
By the way, Games of war also snuck this little fellow onto their site some time in the recent past. It looks like a nice boat, and measures almost 8 inches long:
(http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/PS003.jpg)
I plan to add an old Empire mortar to it and make a bomb boat.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/Mortar_zpsp7zh4f09.jpg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/Mortar_zpsp7zh4f09.jpg.html)
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good idea Sharkbelly, that did not cross my mind. I have to copy that someday I guess. although my first and next trouble is a pirate crew :P
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That galleon is gorgeous! Is it waterlined?
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That galleon is gorgeous! Is it waterlined?
Not yet, but it will be. :biggriin:
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I just realized that the little boat in Henerius' post is the new jolly boat. Not sure how I missed that... Looks great with the mast and sail!
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I am shamelessly stealing one of Fr1day's posts because I think it would be perfect to mark ships that have caught fire:
It looked like a piece of cake , and it was.
I got the bits on ebay for less than £8 delivered.
I've made 9, bought 10, as one of the lights didn't work. Oh well.
I really like them, so easy. Only took half an hour to do the lot.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_213009.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_213009.jpg.html)
Led flame effect tea lights
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_213020.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_213020.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_213047.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_213047.jpg.html)
Double sided tape around the tea light
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_213110.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_213110.jpg.html)
Stuffed animal filling, i've now got an massive bag of it, it was the smallest amount i could buy
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_213152.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_213152.jpg.html)
Filling stuck to the tape
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_215325.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_215325.jpg.html)
Group shot
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_215502.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_215502.jpg.html)
lights on, look okay, but wait there is more
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_220205.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_220205.jpg.html)
A quick dusting with black spray and BOOM, wrecked vehicle markers that have flickering lights inside.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/Wissenlander/40K%20terrain/20160104_220211.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/Wissenlander/media/40K%20terrain/20160104_220211.jpg.html)
Can you picture those on the deck of a ship? Very cool.
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2 ships added to the starting fleet
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/32bf9692-9083-4d23-ab61-4bd2651beb12.jpg~original)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/05acf663-a01b-4338-b56d-13abac68dfbe.jpg~original)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/2c05f38d-8e82-4cf7-b79b-25c58fe15369.jpg~original)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/e85bd85c-cbc1-4ff7-b5c4-28e10f77595e.jpg~original)
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Very nice!
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nice! what was the base for these models?
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Those fire effects are AWESOME
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@Fr1day, Sharkbelly--I love the flame markers! Those look so cool. Useful for towns under bombardment as well as ship fights and the odd random encounter fire. ::heretic::
@Henerius--great work on the most recent ships. Your fleet puts mine to shame. I admire your dedication. :::cheers:::
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I'm totally stealing those fire effects! Super cool!
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Thanks for the complements for the ships. and I agree these lights are awesome, I can only wish to have such skills.
nice! what was the base for these models?
Pirate (wooden Puzzle)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/05acf663-a01b-4338-b56d-13abac68dfbe.jpg~original)
Dutch (Games of War - http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/Ships.html )
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/2c05f38d-8e82-4cf7-b79b-25c58fe15369.jpg~original)
Dutch (wooden puzzle )
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/7e704ff4-4ee5-4db2-8dd0-613cfa126b8e.jpg~original)
Spanish (wooden puzzle)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1073.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1073.jpg.html)
Spanish (games of war)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/HennysFlotilla1076.jpg~original) (http://s83.photobucket.com/user/henerius1/media/HennysFlotilla1076.jpg.html)
Fat merchant (Geboom)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j316/henerius1/spare%20bed%20room%204.jpg~original)
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Lovely. Thanks for keeping the old thread alive. Its going to be a few months until our next pirate game starts, so I will be watching your progress.
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Ships: awesome.
Tea-light flames: awesome.
Terrain: awesome.
Battles: awesome.
This is simply the Thread of Awesome.
:::cheers:::
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new ships in a kickstarter. And crew btw
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/firelockgames/blood-and-plunder
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I had a briefish look last night, but there is a lot to take in, and I am off to Spain for a few days, so I will have a better detailed look next week.
There are some lengthy videos too which I will watch.
The figures look good - metal too.
The ships also seem good value.
My son is interested and we have talked of doing a joint pledge, but he has pointed out that I already have 6 ships and numerous pirates ..............
It has reminded me that I annoyingly did not take the opportunity to look at the growing variety of mats appearing on the hobby market when I was at Salute last Saturday. :icon_mad:
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I had a briefish look last night, but there is a lot to take in, and I am off to Spain for a few days, so I will have a better detailed look next week.
There are some lengthy videos too which I will watch.
The figures look good - metal too.
The ships also seem good value.
My son is interested and we have talked of doing a joint pledge, but he has pointed out that I already have 6 ships and numerous pirates ..............
It has reminded me that I annoyingly did not take the opportunity to look at the growing variety of mats appearing on the hobby market when I was at Salute last Saturday. :icon_mad:
I will reach the ridiculous amount of 17 when I add these to the pile.
I bought the game Pirates! as well. It is possible to play multiplayer with Pirates! and it will be possible to play fantasy crews, submersibles and airships... just adding to the fun.
Several club members already indicated to be interested. Seems Iam going to have my games of pirating after all.
So Midaski how many more will you add to your fleet?
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Any idea who you would go to to have a ship sculpted? I know lots of figure sculptors, but no terrain sculptors.
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The Geboom company is run by a terrain sculptur, the boys from Firelock games call there ship pieces of scenery, moving ones but scenery.
I guess that means a terrain sculptur is the one to start when you want a schip sculpted. :icon_question:
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new ships in a kickstarter. And crew btw
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/firelockgames/blood-and-plunder
Those boats and figures look very good! :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool:
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Hey all, I wanted to share a few ship-related things that I have finished up lately.
I added a captain's banner (in dark blue on the mizzenmast) and tidied up the cannons and the mortar for my galleon. It now boasts 20 (21 if you count the mortar) guns! I also added the tow rope for the dinghy. The mortar fits well inside if a "bomb ship" is needed for a mission.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpscvmkdmna.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpscvmkdmna.jpeg.html)
The sea serpent is from an extra head and tail from the hydra/kharybdiss kit.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpsk1x696iw.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpsk1x696iw.jpeg.html)
A swimming troll from extra bits.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpsgy9yqqno.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpsgy9yqqno.jpeg.html)
Two sunken ships. These are resin models I bought on ebay.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zps7ca4vsgc.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zps7ca4vsgc.jpeg.html)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpsgzuhsnhu.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpsgzuhsnhu.jpeg.html)
And, of course, the giant octopus.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpsudnvy3ga.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpsudnvy3ga.jpeg.html)
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They look great. Haven't seen many people post sea critters before.
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Well done. The pictures of the sunken ships are the one of the swimming troll.
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Also Using tarp creates a cool water effect.
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Fixed it!
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It really does! It does a surprisingly good job simulating shimmering water. I would have been very skeptical had I not seen the pics first.
This thread continues to inspire me after all these years. I consider this aspect of Fantasy Battle (28mm ship to ship combat) to be one of GW's biggest missed opportunities (okay, admittedly there are a ton of other ones too).
Also, the explosions on the previous page that FRIDAY did are pretty amazing. I am absolutely going to do some of those of my own.
Also Using tarp creates a cool water effect.
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Awesome post Sharkbelly :::cheers:::
Always a pleasure to see your work.
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Thanks! Here is another sea-critter, a mermaid that I recently finished.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpsepco1fbh.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpsepco1fbh.jpeg.html)
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I dig that mermaid, pretty cool use for that old slave girl mini. I think the slave girls from the old Asdrubael Vect kit got more use by players and modelers outside of the Vect kit than they did as intended. I used one on my Orc Warboss model for example. Anyway, does this mermaid have any rules?
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Not yet, but I'm open to suggestions.
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Anyway, does this mermaid have any rules?
.......... on a scale of 1-10 :closed-eyes:
Sounds fishy to me ...................
There's a couple of similar sets of Harem Girls from an American guy - Bronze Age Minis I think ?
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This is tempting .....................
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1337/6045/products/IMG_0585_large.JPG?v=1473024134)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1337/6045/products/IMG_0574_large.JPG?v=1472778809)
Loads more pics here
https://darkops.myshopify.com/products/dark-seas-ship-of-the-line-pre-order
Sorry - bum link before - this should be better.
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Pretty!!
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brand?
What is the link to the site of the maker?
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That is an amazing ship!
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brand?
What is the link to the site of the maker?
Sorry - wrong link - try this
https://darkops.myshopify.com/products/dark-seas-ship-of-the-line-pre-order
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Considering the cost of terrain at GW costs, that's a heck of a buy. Nice kit for sure.
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Some of you may know I got a 3D printer :engel:
http://www.printablescenery.com/product/firgate-2/ (http://www.printablescenery.com/product/firgate-2/)
(http://i0.wp.com/www.printablescenery.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Printable-Ship-Exploded.png?resize=600%2C600)
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Wow! Cool.
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Ok now that is awesome.
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Daar kom ik vast nog wel een keer op terug :engel:
Some of you may know I got a 3D printer :engel:
http://www.printablescenery.com/product/firgate-2/ (http://www.printablescenery.com/product/firgate-2/)
(http://i0.wp.com/www.printablescenery.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Printable-Ship-Exploded.png?resize=600%2C600)
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@Warhammer lord Soth--Wow!
@Midaski--Wow! They have a couple of nice products...
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Brand: Weico.de (woodenpuzzles)
Shipswright: Henerius
The last one of the wooden puzzles. Hunting pirates should be great fun with a ship like this :biggriin:
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/tmp_11940-Studio_20161030_020836-1804905564.jpg~original)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/tmp_11940-Studio_20161030_021055-1090686529.jpg~original)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/tmp_11940-Studio_20161030_021149117483897.jpg~original)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/henerius/Botenbouw/tmp_11940-Studio_20161030_021215-508839554.jpg~original)
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Very nice! The fore-and-aft rig in the back looks great!
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Not a fluyt, 0/10 for treason.
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I have two resin Fluyts. Don't worrye they will come.
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Frontline Gaming makes some nice mats for war gaming. They're a little pricey, but are on sale right now. Should be perfect for ship battles.
(http://res.cloudinary.com/lightspeed-retail/image/upload/c_pad,h_256,q_75,w_256/jhalt533t9t8r6qf00rh.jpg)
http://store.frontlinegaming.org/fat-mat%3A-ocean-6x4/dp/6351
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Great find Shark Belly. Also good to see your work on the Reaper Forum.
@Henerius--Great work! :::cheers:::
I have had that puzzle but together and sitting on my shelf for years. Got to think about masts and painting one of these days
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This thread is so cool! :icon_biggrin: :::cheers:::
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Agreed. Here is a nice sea monster to go along with all the ships:
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpsvqhc8d7x.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpsvqhc8d7x.jpeg.html)
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Hey guys,
What do you reckon about the size of this?
http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Colonial_Paddle_Steamer_2/p1603368_16637215.aspx (http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Colonial_Paddle_Steamer_2/p1603368_16637215.aspx)
Thinking maybe a Dwarf paddle steamer?
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Hmm... according to the dimensions, it is around 8 inches wide and nearly twice as long. Might work just fine. There would even be room for a gyrocopter pad on top.
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Some sort of dwarf plating over the handrails would help. Maybe with shields on them.
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Hey guys,
What do you reckon about the size of this?
http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Colonial_Paddle_Steamer_2/p1603368_16637215.aspx (http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Colonial_Paddle_Steamer_2/p1603368_16637215.aspx)
Thinking maybe a Dwarf paddle steamer?
And they sell Ironclads, too!
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I finally finished painting up this longboat from Games of War. Turns out it's just the right size for my Dwarf Slayer Pirates.
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpsrgwmlwiy.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpsrgwmlwiy.jpeg.html)
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpspnosnvep.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpspnosnvep.jpeg.html)
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Great work Sharkbelly! :::cheers:::
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Games of War make lovely stuff - I bought a boat off him at the SELWG exhibition last October.
I have a few boats already, and had no intention of buying another :engel:
He makes much of the mast joins and rigging himself in his workshop, and his enthusiasm for his stuff is so infectious.
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I have four boats from Old Glory Shipyard and mostly painted.
Plus I've got a two, maybe even three, dozen pirates to paint (they're primed and ready!).
This thread is often inspiring. :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
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Games of War make lovely stuff - I bought a boat off him at the SELWG exhibition last October.
I have a few boats already, and had no intention of buying another :engel:
He makes much of the mast joins and rigging himself in his workshop, and his enthusiasm for his stuff is so infectious.
I agree! Here is the Sea Dog with rigging:
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/sharkbelly/image_zpseqf5hdwv.jpeg~original) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/sharkbelly/media/image_zpseqf5hdwv.jpeg.html)
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This needs flagging up as a great resources thread - especially with Von Kurst's Pirates thread in the Skirmish Board
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Agreed!
(http://www.pbase.com/sharkbelly/image/167466468/large.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/sharkbelly/image/167466470/large.jpg)
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Oh yes, lets get more happening in this fantastic thread.
I wish my crafting skills were better then gluing some popsicle sticks together and calling it a raft.
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I'm planning on using that new sea elf wrecked ship hulk kit as the centrepiece for my Empire pirate army
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Good to see the thread get a bump and to see Sharkbelly's fleet on one table.
I'm planning on using that new sea elf wrecked ship hulk kit as the centrepiece for my Empire pirate army
That wreck will soon be appearing in our pirate games as well. :::cheers::: (https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_pirat.png)
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Makes me want to put more effort into my handful of ships, along with my pirates.
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Went all in on this one.
https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/pledges/the-lost-islands/ (https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/pledges/the-lost-islands/)
Now I just need to find time to print it all.
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Went all in on this one.
https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/pledges/the-lost-islands/ (https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/pledges/the-lost-islands/)
Now I just need to find time to print it all.
Wow and wow!👆 prices are really good too.
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Went all in on this one.
https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/pledges/the-lost-islands/ (https://www.printablescenery.com/product-category/pledges/the-lost-islands/)
Now I just need to find time to print it all.
Wow and wow!👆 prices are really good too.
Don't forget, it is just the price for the file. Still need to print them
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How much would you say you spend printing scenery Soth? My local library has set up a 3d printing lab and is dying to get people in to use it. I just don't know how much they'd appreciate me coming in with a file and printing it if it's a bit more costly.
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How much would you say you spend printing scenery Soth? My local library has set up a 3d printing lab and is dying to get people in to use it. I just don't know how much they'd appreciate me coming in with a file and printing it if it's a bit more costly.
What do you mean ?
How much I spend ? I have my own printer, so I just buy filament, pay electricity and do repairs/maintenance on the printer.
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I think he's asking how much the filament costs.
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Between 20 and 40 € per kilo
Depends on the quality. I usually go for the middle road.
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And how much would you say you use to make a medium-sized (maybe around 12" long) ship?
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Thanks, I was talking about the filament and generally how much you'd say you 'spend' per project really. Like if you've got a kilo of material, how much of that goes into building a house or ship?
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aha, here is where it went... I was missing this topic on it's original location. :happy:
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How much does a scenery printer cost these days?
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3d printer? Soth is the man to ask - he has 2, and I have seen them with my own eyes!