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The Empire at War ... The Gamers Guild => WHFB The Electors' Forum => Topic started by: abdulaapocolyps on April 23, 2012, 11:23:41 AM
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Hi all.now the runefang is less than 100 points,how would you equip a general etc with it?
I was thinking something like bared steed,full plate,the shield with the 1 off 2+ ward,luck stone and I potion?
He's ok on a challange,has 1 reroll on his 1+ and a 1 off 2+...?
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People seem to like a grandmaster with it and the other tricksters shard.
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I'd never put a Runefang on a General. The whole item has "Grand Master-only" written over it.
Offense: Other Tricksters Shard + Shield.
Defense: Luckstone + Potion of Speed + Charmed Shield.
I believe that the best defense is a strong offense though, so I go for the Shard.
You want to kill whatever you're attacking, especially enemy characters, and Runefang+OTS is very deadly against those.
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I'd never put a Runefang on a General. The whole item has "Grand Master-only" written over it.
Ironic, given the item's background.
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I'm going with the Grand Master too.
I'll still use the Boris Todbringer model and "counts as."
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I'd never put a Runefang on a General. The whole item has "Grand Master-only" written over it.
Ironic, given the item's background.
Elector Count =/= General, and it's been like that for 2 editions now.
Elector Counts have A4 (Karl Franz, Marius), so I'd give the Runefang to Elector Counts if we could field them.
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yep. if you're making a fighter, then you want the grand master. his +1WS, A and I are totally worth it.
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I'd never put a Runefang on a General. The whole item has "Grand Master-only" written over it.
Ironic, given the item's background.
Elector Count =/= General, and it's been like that for 2 editions now.
Elector Counts have A4 (Karl Franz, Marius), so I'd give the Runefang to Elector Counts if we could field them.
Errr I rather think that last edition elector counts were intended to be represented by the general of the empire profile, hence the fact that runefangs were general-only. Also this edition Marius Leitdorf is a GotE with +1 WS, at least his profile is much closer to a GotE than a TGM, as for Karl, well he is the frickin Emperor, you'd expect him to be a bit better than your average grunt elector.
It is a bit ridiculous that TGMs can take them though, I mean how many elector counts are also grandmasters of a knightly order? It's particularly bad that the best way to use a runefang is on a character that would never actually have a chance to use one.
A runefang TGM with a hurricanum in tow is a very powerful combo, hitting on 2s, auto wounding with no armour saves, all you need now is an amber wizard to cast savage beast of horros for a possible 7 attacks.
Bringing a Runefang in my army feels particularly "wrong", because It's from Marienburg. If I was theming an army around an imperial province I'd certainly give the general with runefang a go as my elector count.
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the other build i'd seen floating about on here was a good one if you're not into "the runefang", not sure who to credit it to though:
Giant blade
dawnstone
shield
other trickers shard.
much more survivable, with that re-rollable 1+ and still pretty damn killy with the S7 attacks and OtS
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Bringing a Runefang in my army feels particularly "wrong", because It's from Marienburg. If I was theming an army around an imperial province I'd certainly give the general with runefang a go as my elector count.
What about a mercenary captain who has found a powerful dwarven made sabre in a treasure chest on a deserted island? You dont have to call it Runefang, just use the stats.
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Bringing a Runefang in my army feels particularly "wrong", because It's from Marienburg. If I was theming an army around an imperial province I'd certainly give the general with runefang a go as my elector count.
What about a mercenary captain who has found a powerful dwarven made sabre in a treasure chest on a deserted island? You dont have to call it Runefang, just use the stats.
That's true, but equally I could field Lord Jake Moneybags III, leader of the Marienburg council mounted on a griffon wielding his magic hammer of smackiness and use Karl Franz's profile if I wanted to.
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As stated in the Runefang description it's the Solland Runefang which doesn't belong to an Elector Count anymore and is kept in the Imperial Treasury to be entrusted to remarkable generals of the emperor's chosing. Be it Generals of the Empire, TGM's or AL's.
So fluff wise you are covered, it's a spare Runefang the emperor can loan to proven generals for decisive battles.
Edit: Also I use it on a TGM in a Reiksguard unit to get Crown of Command without buying it, Runefang, charmed shield, luckstone and one of the 5pt potions. Both are solid.
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What I think is funny is that the Grand Master who gets loaned the Runefang is going to be a rather well-traveled fellow - because I can think of quite a few armies that will be looking for his services. :icon_lol:
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As stated in the Runefang description it's the Solland Runefang which doesn't belong to an Elector Count anymore and is kept in the Imperial Treasury to be entrusted to remarkable generals of the emperor's chosing. Be it Generals of the Empire, TGM's or AL's.
So fluff wise you are covered, it's a spare Runefang the emperor can loan to proven generals for decisive battles.
Read it again, Kurt Helborg wields the Solland Runefang. The Runefang in the magic item list can represent any Runefang except the Averland, Solland or Reikland ones because those three are held by SCs.
The one you're thinking of is the Drakwald Runefang, it is kept in the Imperial Treasury and loaned out when the Emperor needs a favour.
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Yep,I agree that a GM may be the best option of this weapon.either way though I like the more defensive builds as I fear that a really killy lord (elf,chaos,vamp) would slay him before he strikes.course,our boy will prob get slayed anyway but still... with a preacher giving him hatred and maybe a ward,and a hurticanum giving the +1 to hit he looks a lot harder.which is the whole point of empire I guess.
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Yep,I agree that a GM may be the best option of this weapon.either way though I like the more defensive builds as I fear that a really killy lord (elf,chaos,vamp) would slay him before he strikes.course,our boy will prob get slayed anyway but still... with a preacher giving him hatred and maybe a ward,and a hurticanum giving the +1 to hit he looks a lot harder.which is the whole point of empire I guess.
The WP can give him 5++ but cannot give him hatered
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That's why you bring a Waraltar. :engel:
"The Waraltar - when a Hurricanum just isn't enough!"
Giant blade
dawnstone
shield
other trickers shard.
I like this build. Another build is the one I used earlier:
Sword of Power (ergo, Ogre Sword)
Crown of Command
Dawnstone
Shield.
Less killy, but you basically have to kill him before he goes anywhere, and his expensive knight-unit is less likely to run away.
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I always liked the fact that there are two Runefangs that are just loaned out by the Emperor (1 is basically Kurt's for the time being) but that doesn't stop the Elector from loaning his/her's to a champion when the time comes. I could more easily see Emanuel loaning her blade to a skilled Templar than taking the field of battle herself. Additionally, the Averland Runefang is up for grabs at the moment so who knows where it'll show up (when I play it'll be in Marius' hands where it belongs though.)
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I have the four classic Elector Count models, being able to field them all together would be great but rules as written only Marius and another Elector Count can take the field with Runefangs.
Still, Kurt, Marius, and random Grand Master profiled Elector Count is a total of 12 auto-wound attacks in the front rank of a knightly unit. That's pretty good.
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I have the four classic Elector Count models, being able to field them all together would be great but rules as written only Marius and another Elector Count can take the field with Runefangs.
Still, Kurt, Marius, and random Grand Master profiled Elector Count is a total of 12 auto-wound attacks in the front rank of a knightly unit. That's pretty good.
Why not just add Karl Franz and you'd have 16 auto-wounds.
And a Hurricanum or two for some plus-to hit, and a Waraltar nearby so they get hatred.
Ofcourse, you'd need to play at least 4000-5000 pts for this unit, but still.
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Actually, what woud happen is that Marius would miss his leadership test, make his unit stupid, then the unit would get crushed by template weapons as the knights stood there swearing at him...
:)
-- Greg
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Recently tried out this combo and had pretty good success with it:
Grandmaster:
-w/Runefang, Charmed Shield, Luckstone, Iron Curse Icon
A good build since I run this guy in a horde unit of 27x Inner Circle Knights of the White Wolf, along w/my BSB and a Warrior Priest who has the Crown of Command. Its a good combo that gives him good attack damage as well as giving my Knight unit a 6+ ward against War-Machines,but the unit becomes even better when backed up with the Lore of Beasts, which is always fun watching your opponents face as he struggles to decide which to dispel, my Lvl. 4's spells or the Warrior Priests.
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Best defensive build imho: runefang, luckstone, charmed shield, potion of speed.
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I agree,my original defensive build may be about as good as defence gets for 15 points.
I'm regards to an earlier statement,why wouldn't a warrior priest in the unit with my lord not him hatred?
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A Warrior Priest doesn't give hatred to the lord because hatred from priests doesn't affect characters other than themselves.
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Warrior Priests hatred don't affect characters because it specifically states that it doesn't.
That's why you bring a Waraltar, because the hatred from the Altar does affect characters.