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Title: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 08, 2021, 02:55:11 AM
This one is in Italy ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxaUOdfnGUE

Can't imagine this was an expensive refurbishing, and it does strike me as being somewhat elegant in design, and I like many of the ideas.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 08, 2021, 03:00:05 AM
And here is another stone barn turned into a small home ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvtRzgtjdQ

Not sure I like it as much as the previous, yet some interesting concepts, and some not what I'd do either.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Warlord on January 08, 2021, 12:27:25 PM
I havenít clicked your links, but are these just links to episodes of Kevin McCloudís ĎGrand DesignsĎ tv show?
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 08, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Haven't seen "Grand Designs".

Both videos are of two different properties converted by Alfredo Vanotti for his own use in Italy.  One was owned by his great grandfather, the other was inherited by hos wife.  He is an architect and he converted both buildings for use as small homes.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Jmash on January 08, 2021, 01:48:21 PM
Haven't seen "Grand Designs".

Both videos are of two different properties converted by Alfredo Vanotti for his own use in Italy.  One was owned by his great grandfather, the other was inherited by hos wife.  He is an architect and he converted both buildings for use as small homes.

Grand Designs distilled is basically this;

Person/family has an ambitious 'grand design' project usually with little or no experience and way above their station, Kevin is in awe of the idea but shitcans it for all the potential pitfalls, it all starts, many unforeseen problems, at some point they run out of money and remortgage all their assets, Kevin continues to shitcan the project because of all the problems happening like he originally said, the planning authority does a u-turn and decides that things have to be built differently than the original plan, the wife/girlfriend always has a baby halfway through and they end up living in a caravan on site, Kevin get's very dubious as to whether the project will be finished because everything is behind and massively over-budget, he comes back at the end and it's all complete and oh look here's our lovely big pretentious house and Kevin loves it and never doubted it. The end.

It's really quite brilliant  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Warlord on January 10, 2021, 11:07:40 AM
I just love his voice.
I cannot watch any other countryís Grand Designs because I just love his voice.

On occasion, he comes back at the end and the project isnít finished. Though I think that was earlier seasons, those are fairly rare now.
Usually the project will be delayed significantly due to inclement weather - because usually the projects are in the UK and weather is usually pretty crappy there.
Also usually some part of the grand design uses a less common building technique - something cutting edge ĎgreenĎ technique, or some traditional technique like mud and hay bale walls. And part of explaining the technique, Kevin will go offsite to a factory, or example building where it was done successfully and point out what the risks are that the current project is disregarding.

Anyway, its a great show.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 10, 2021, 01:55:17 PM
In America, we have a public broadcasting show called This Old House.  There is also an associated magazine they put out as well, although not sure it is still available, yet will look into it, and I at one time was a subscriber.

The show has been running for like 50 years or more.  Each year they pick a building to redo in the New England area, and each show shows part of the process they use to turn the building into something refreshing.

The original host was a guy named Bob Vila, and the idea that I recall his name from my younger days is a hoot, and a testament to how often I watched it in those days.  Since then there have also been two other very good hosts, but I had to look up their names ... Steve Thomas and Kevin O'Connor.  Other key members of the show over the years have been Norm Abrams and Tom Silva.

I still watch the show from time to time, and would love to buy an old place, refurbish it, and make a home of it.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Artobans Ghost on January 10, 2021, 03:01:00 PM
From a person who has lived in (194 yrsold) and refurbished old homes for a living at one time, I will never choose to buy or live in an old home ever again. Never, nada , zippo etc. I live in a 2018 home now and itís not new enough lol.
I never want to do maintenance, repairs, alterations ever again, Never, nada, zippo etc
😺

That gig is for the young and still optimistic filled with positivism, patience and money.

This is of course only my opinion and is worthless
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 10, 2021, 03:02:37 PM
Nah, it is an opinion of one who works in the industry, and that has got to count for at least a warning, and that alone is worth it.   :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Warlord on January 11, 2021, 08:08:57 AM
My previous house was an old house.
It needed a LOT of work. We have since moved and have a much more modern house, with the front shell of an old house.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Jmash on January 11, 2021, 10:07:44 AM
From a person who has lived in (194 yrsold) and refurbished old homes for a living at one time, I will never choose to buy or live in an old home ever again. Never, nada , zippo etc. I live in a 2018 home now and itís not new enough lol.
I never want to do maintenance, repairs, alterations ever again, Never, nada, zippo etc
😺

That gig is for the young and still optimistic filled with positivism, patience and money.

This is of course only my opinion and is worthless

Living in the UK, my sentiments are the exact opposite to this unfortunately... the rate of house building going on here is ridiculous, but the fact of the matter is I don't know a single person who has ever moved into a 'new-build' on one of these estates and not had a brand new house that was absolutely riddled with problems, unfinished etc. The housing companies throw them up as quickly as possible to make a quick £££ and the standard is invariably (to my knowledge) pretty poor. Every 4th house on my brothers new housing estate is 100% profit to the builders. Not to mention I spend time in and around British building sites as part of my work and the number of blokes in hi-vis vests sat around doing nothing in the middle of the day is a telling story. Just my observations at least.

We moved into a house built in the 1930's, did some work internally which was mainly getting rid of the old occupier's strange ideas of 'taste' and putting it back to some form of normality, but we have also encountered certain other inherent quirks of the house from time to time. All part of the fun though right?

Also on an unrelated note - Gandhi once visited our little Lancashire town and actually stayed in the house next door to us - it has a commemorative blue placard on the outside (a UK thing to record historic interest etc.).  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 11, 2021, 10:39:41 AM
I dream of having two homes.

Some sort of gigantic place, old New England, maybe with a barn, maybe a Victorian era building, something old fashioned and fancy, and has a huge kitchen, plus a place to dance.

The other would be some sort of place in Europe, northern Italy would be special, maybe southern France and I'd even consider a cottage in England, except that first choice, well heck, that's how I started the thread.

However, only dreams at this point.  Goals first, then we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Jmash on January 11, 2021, 11:12:49 AM
I dream of having two homes.

Some sort of gigantic place, old New England, maybe with a barn, maybe a Victorian era building, something old fashioned and fancy, and has a huge kitchen, plus a place to dance.

The other would be some sort of place in Europe, northern Italy would be special, maybe southern France and I'd even consider a cottage in England, except that first choice, well heck, that's how I started the thread.

However, only dreams at this point.  Goals first, then we'll see what happens.

I've heard stories of lots of properly old little towns, villages and hamlets on the continent, Italy mainly I think, that are selling houses for as little as £1! The only condition is that you need to actually live in it, they encourage people to bring their whole extended families into these towns. It's because a lot of these little old places have no attraction for the younger generations who go off to the big cities etc. and leave these lovely old historic places to dies off. They want to restore the communities and get people back living there with families, give them new life.

You'd be a damn sight better off over there, nobody in the UK can afford to buy a lovely old cottage anymore, not even when you were born and raised on the same street. Because our historic villages in beauty spots like the Lakes and Yorkshire Dales etc. are so popular for tourism, all the property gets bought up as second homes and holiday lets, the locals can't afford to live in their own towns anymore. It's really a very sad story.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 11, 2021, 01:11:19 PM
Yep, Italy (northern half or there abouts)  is definitely my first choice.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 11, 2021, 02:20:23 PM
This looks wonderful after having been redone ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhhQs92oE5c

The music is Max Richter's "On The Nature of Daylight", and awesome piece well worth listening to along the way.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Warlord on January 12, 2021, 10:48:20 AM

I've heard stories of lots of properly old little towns, villages and hamlets on the continent, Italy mainly I think, that are selling houses for as little as £1! The only condition is that you need to actually live in it, they encourage people to bring their whole extended families into these towns. It's because a lot of these little old places have no attraction for the younger generations who go off to the big cities etc. and leave these lovely old historic places to dies off. They want to restore the communities and get people back living there with families, give them new life.

You'd be a damn sight better off over there, nobody in the UK can afford to buy a lovely old cottage anymore, not even when you were born and raised on the same street. Because our historic villages in beauty spots like the Lakes and Yorkshire Dales etc. are so popular for tourism, all the property gets bought up as second homes and holiday lets, the locals can't afford to live in their own towns anymore. It's really a very sad story.

Its an interesting idea. I guess the challenge would be how can you make money while being that secluded and perhaps donít speak the language.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 12, 2021, 11:20:29 AM
My sense is that initially I'd use it for a vacation home, and rent it out to others.  Because I live in the States, I'd need to find a property management company that could see to it that the place was prepared for anyone renting.  Even in retirement, although the amount of time I'd spend at such a place would increase, I'd still probably rent it out for others to use as a base for their vacations.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Warlord on January 13, 2021, 09:35:02 AM
So basically AirBNB.

I think thats what they donít want though. Not just people visiting, but new permanent additiona to their villages.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 13, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Well, once I hit retirement, a good ways off yet, I'd be living there more often than just a vaca.  Northern Italy is gorgeous, close to southern France, Switerland, Austria.  It is one of those things that is just a dream at the moment, goals first, and then if time doesn't change my view, perhaps.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Warlord on January 14, 2021, 02:05:44 AM
It is. I got married there.
Been to Italy 3 times and every time its wonderful.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 21, 2021, 01:36:17 PM
I think it would be neat to have an apartment in Venice, and this one does look good and been refurbished, yet seems a bit small.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDd8mgsOHzY

Plus, I'm thinking with all that water around it, I wonder how easy it would really be to get to other places beyond Venice.  If  I recall there is a bridge at one place that allows for travel to the continent, although wondering about the practicality of such a location.  Seems I might enjoy being on the main land and traveling into Venice from time to time more.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Artobans Ghost on January 21, 2021, 03:08:47 PM
This one is in Italy ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxaUOdfnGUE

Can't imagine this was an expensive refurbishing, and it does strike me as being somewhat elegant in design, and I like many of the ideas.

I spent a day in Venice. Came in by train and left by train. That one bridge.
That apartment looks awesome.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 21, 2021, 04:57:48 PM
Ah, so the bridge ain't for cars, just trains?
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Warlord on January 22, 2021, 06:51:00 AM
Bridge is for cars motorcycles and trains. Its much cheaper not living in Venice city but on the mainland. Apartments will all be very small because its Venice and you arenít a millionaire.

Its Beautiful though. My favourite city in the world. No other place like it. Only been there twice :( Would live there if there was work that allowed such. Looked at apartment prices 10 years ago, and they were not too badly priced, but Iím used to Sydney prices (Top 10 in the world) and there would be no modern conveniences. In theory you can WFH anywhere, but Venice is just pure tourism nowadays. Real business is done elsewhere in Italy like Milan, Turin or Rome.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 22, 2021, 11:58:26 AM
I hear ya on beauty.  I watch a couple of the "I Love Venice" videos on youtube from time to time.  Usually the ones with classical music playing in the background while I work, and catching some of the moments when the light hits off the water and the buildings.  Lovely place, and looking forward to spending some time there at some point.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 22, 2021, 01:51:51 PM
Three of the camera locations mentioned above ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqUREqYduHw

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6VVJ3hvv8

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZAez2oYsA
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 22, 2021, 05:13:57 PM
Here is a refurbished pub into a house in Westminster London ... can't seem to tell it was once a pub ... interesting, yet not really my cup of tea ... would have preferred seeing what they did with the building if it hadn't been gutted ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBpc9Q9TV8
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 27, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
This person started this project when he was  25 with a loan for $90,000.  Seems to have come out nicely and simply.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvfeOD46M0w

Not sure I'd be interested in Cincinnati, yet love what they are doing to the down town to bring it back.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 28, 2021, 02:39:30 AM
And this is not refurbishing, but instead preserving because he was required to save it ...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuRrlu9m64k

I'm not sure what to make of it.  Does feel like it has been preserved and now livable, all through what he calls being pragmatic and poetic which is what he says that architecture does.  Can't see myself seeking something like this out, yet there is a certain intriguingness about it.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 04, 2021, 12:35:33 PM
Another apartment in Venice just put up on video, I'm imagining the price is a good bit ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_amFfhVYoo
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 05, 2021, 08:41:23 PM
Here someone has turned a ballroom in to living appartments ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Iq-3nH5Jo

The modern look does seem to work with most of it, although I can only imagine how cool that ballroom must have been for dancing before it was turned into living space.  I also enjoyed seeing the outside pictures of the neighborhood and the garden area.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 26, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
A buildling being renovated in Florence for a max of 30 living units, but folks could choose to link more than one of the units together ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01n1OpfuYG4

Freaking high ceilings, yet the unit shown seemed a bit low in square footage for my tastes.

I have more space in my current place than one of these, although mine isn't quite as modernly updated, nor in Florence. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on March 30, 2021, 05:33:11 PM
Here's a 12th to 14th century Italian property that needs serious refurbishment ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Kgj5Ftb5w

Not sure I'd take this project on.  However, it's sitting on about 2.5 acres of land, and has what seems to be the original tower with the remains of a latter stone building and walls that were added at some point.  The walks the south side of the stone walls of the additional building.

Only 180,000 Euros, plus the realtor says you'll need to get a road into it for 50 to 60K euros.  And then of course the rest of the refurbishing, and any new structure (the latter if permitted).
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: Artobans Ghost on March 30, 2021, 08:20:59 PM
Holy horror cakes!
Dynamite and a bulldozer is the only answer to that Iím afraid
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on March 30, 2021, 10:10:53 PM
 :icon_lol:

Since it is in Italy, their are likely laws that keep folks from taking such places down.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on May 08, 2021, 12:31:02 PM
Always thought it would be neat to own a brownstone somewhere.  here is a refurbished one in Brooklyn NY ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBKniR-YDM

In the kitchen, I'd have some one get rid of the far set of drawers so the counter could be a walk around.  Especially to have the ability for direct access out of the kitchen to the huge renovated cellar (maybe a hobby room!) and the porch/yard area out the back.  I like the elevate outdoor space behind the 2nd floor back bedroom, awesome!  I could also see myself turning the 3rd floor into hobby space.  Plenty of closets, and another if one doesn't need two washers/dryers.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on May 08, 2021, 12:54:39 PM
Restored Italian Villa from the 1300s in the Nicone Valley on the border of Umbria and Tuscany ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmMCm3NGtXU
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on May 08, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
By the way ... don't drop your jaw to the floor ... but that place above goes for 3.9 million Euros. :icon_eek: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on May 08, 2021, 01:22:29 PM
Want a brown stone in Harlem? Probably not my idea of where I'd live, but they've done this place up nicely ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jvtpGp_Idc

... it even has a pool and sauna in the basement.  I'd turn the latter into a wine cellar.  And there's got to be a room there that can be used for hobbies. :icon_wink: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on June 08, 2021, 02:56:20 PM
Here is a place in Spain, an hour away from Barcelona as they say, and it has an ancient Templar castle nearby, and opens onto a waterway as well as rustic views of the small village that dates back to the medieval times ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5PaTYGZ-c

I'm not convinced that this would fit me, space wise across the scope of the building nor height wise, although I like how the architects have used some modern building ideas to expand it's liveability, while incorporating the things from its history.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: KTG17 on June 09, 2021, 01:06:17 AM
My previous house was an old house.
It needed a LOT of work. We have since moved and have a much more modern house, with the front shell of an old house.

I live in a newer house, and it still requires work and maintenance. Roots from an Oak tree broke a sprinkler line and spent the better part of a sunday afternoon cutting away roots and replacing PVC pipes.

I do have a dream of moving out to the western part of the US and getting a nice log cabin, away from peeps on a nice chunk of land.

But then Covid happened and peeps from Cali jumped all over them. And still are.

The backup plan is now back east, in the mountains, but less log cabin and more just an older home, tucked away on some land.

While I cringe at working on the house I live in now, its mostly because its already in great shape and I don't want to screw anything up. I do not plan on retiring here though, and will eventually sell it.

But wherever I end up will be the home I retire in, and I don't think I will be concerned as much about the look of it as I do the with the one I have now. I can't explain it. I guess with me being where I am in my life, I do want something nice. I have family and friends over often, and that sort of thing.

But in my later years I am not going to care about that as much, and whatever I buy is going to be more about the location and being away from people than it is about the actual house, so I am expecting a lot of work, and aren't worried about the craftsmanship like I am now lol.

I have been following real estate pretty closely in some states for the last 3 years, going down the rabbit hole on digging wells, off the grid living, etc etc, and was really forming a distant plan to work towards and Covid really screwed it up.
Title: Re: Refurbishing Old Buildings For Current Living ...
Post by: GamesPoet on June 09, 2021, 01:24:36 AM
Well, and the real estate market in the U.S. is wacky at the moment anyway.  And I don't say that lightly.  It is definitely a sellers market at the moment, demand being high, people are paying higher than usual prices and willing to substantially out bid others to get what they want.  If a person waits a year or two, it'll get easier, patience is a virtue.