Author Topic: Mounting a wizard lord on the buff wagon (Read 3673 times)

mr chumley warner · « **on:** April 24, 2012, 10:57:42 AM »

Gents - 120 pts to mount your Wiz Lord on a buff Wagon....

So he get's a better LOS, 5+ 6++ saves ,

any other benefits?!

GambitGriffin · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:01:40 AM »

Better mobility? Could be useful in a all mounted army.

Joey_Boy · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:03:38 AM »

I can see the worth of it when playing with 2 STanks. The lack of points in rare makes a lvl3 Celestial Wizard lord a nifty option. I would probably back him up with a lvl4 life on foot and go with an all combat list(ICKnights with GW, smaller lancer knights, Archer diverters, DGK's and the STanks). The Lore of Heaven and Life work very well with this type of list as one can heal the multi-wound units and both wizards can buff them with spells that seems to be built to support this type of list. And the Hurricanum adds the +1 to hit bonus where it's needed the most.

Other then in a list like that. No there really is no benefits that I can think off, not saying there is not something that I have missed.

Minsc · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:04:00 AM »

He get's a 6+ armoursave (and 6++ wardsave if he's on a Luminark). He still has a 90* LoS, it's not a Screaming Bell, it's a regular chariot.
It also eats up 120/130 pts of your Lord-allowance instead of your Rare-allowance.
(Down- or upside, it depends on what sort of points you lack the most.)

The downside is that he will get a big red crosshair on his forehead - any cannon/stonethrower/template that hits the chariot will hit him as well.

I would never, ever put my Wizardlord on a Hurricanum/Luminark.

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Better mobility?

A wizard can march and cast spells, so their movement is the same.
In all-cav lists you're better of mounting him on a barded warhorse and place him in a unit of Knights.

Finlay · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:27:41 AM »

It means the enemy can kill 2 things it really wants to kill, while only shooting at one target.

No thanks.

mr chumley warner · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:48:04 AM »

I don't get why they charge 120 pts for the privilege ?

Finlay · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:50:43 AM »

I don't get why goblin shaman lords can ride the spider

"PLEASE SHOOT MY 450 POINT UNIT"

er, no.

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:52:09 AM »

It is kind of okish if there are no enemies with artillery around...still it really decreases the effectivity of both units for no gain at all.

I have to agree on this point that it is very bad design on those entries.

Darknight · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2012, 01:49:59 PM »

If there were a synergy buff for having him on there (the Lumminark's death ray shoots an extra 6" per Wizard level / +1 to all casting and dispel attempts made from the back of the thing etc.) then it might be worth it. As it is, it is much better to field them as separate things.

polybus11 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2012, 01:55:00 PM »

Quote from: Fandir Nightshade on April 24, 2012, 11:52:09 AM

It is kind of okish if there are no enemies with artillery around...still it really decreases the effectivity of both units for no gain at all.

I have to agree on this point that it is very bad design on those entries.

It is only bad design on the part of 8th edition rulebook. I am guessing 9th edition will make this viable again.

zifnab0 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:03:08 PM »

Quote from: Finlay on April 24, 2012, 11:50:43 AM

I don't get why goblin shaman lords can ride the spider

"PLEASE SHOOT MY 450 POINT UNIT"

er, no.

Because then you can field 3 Arachnaroks in one list.

Plus, the catchweb spidershrine looks awesome.

Finlay · « **Reply #11 on:** April 24, 2012, 02:55:44 PM »

Arachnaroks are over priced anyway, so fielding 3 is more of a handicap than a boon.

Minsc · « **Reply #12 on:** April 24, 2012, 05:44:09 PM »

Quote from: Darknight on April 24, 2012, 01:49:59 PM

If there were a synergy buff for having him on there (the Lumminark's death ray shoots an extra 6" per Wizard level / +1 to all casting and dispel attempts made from the back of the thing etc.) then it might be worth it. As it is, it is much better to field them as separate things.

Another missed opportunity from Mr.Cruddace.

I can easily see a fix for this: The Luminark/Hurricanium's boundspells get +3/+4 to cast if mounted by a lvl3/lvl4, and the Luminarks spell does D6 wounds instead of D3 / the Hurricanum can add or substract one from the roll, if mounted by a wizard.

At least that would mean that it would be a though decision if you brought a light/heavens-wizard: do I want to mount them on my Luminark/Hurricanum, or do I want them on foot?
As it is now though, it's a nobrainer to have the wagons run on their own - but then I don't think anyone is surprised, because Cruddace has proven over and over that he has no clue what the words "internal balance" means.

Skyros · « **Reply #13 on:** April 24, 2012, 05:45:52 PM »

If you're already running 2 steamtanks and a war altar, the opponent has no shortage of targets for cannons.

If the choice comes down to buying a 110 point xbow unit as a mage bunker or buying a 120 point wagon for him and increasing target saturation, I could see it at least meriting consideration.

It IS odd that there isn't any synergy for putting the mage up there and agree in general it is way better to not have him up there.

When best that can be said is that in one VERY SPECIFIC kind of list it may be not be COMPLETELY TERRIBLE to put him up there, well, that's not a very ringing endorsement.

Spiney · « **Reply #14 on:** April 24, 2012, 05:54:07 PM »

I might do it a couple of times because he look awesome up there, but other than that there isn't really any reason to, it depends how much artillery you generally face and how confident you are that your own cannons can deal with it before they target your wizz.

tcklein · « **Reply #15 on:** April 24, 2012, 06:09:55 PM »

You'd think they would at least get lore master on their respective rides.

Freman Bloodglaive · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2012, 08:58:10 PM »

I still cringe when I see the wizard wagons, and even the new war altar... they're just so... oversized.

Almost as bad as the giant pigeon.

Minsc · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2012, 09:00:14 PM »

Bigger is better!

I actually like the new griffon, if you skip the hideous twin-head and go for the one (slightly bigger) head which got a helmet on it.

Ratarsed · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2012, 09:29:10 PM »

It's only really cannons you seriously need to worry about. Stone throwers scatter 2/3 of the time and randomise the big hit. There is a good chance a wizard will survive their attention long enough for your cannons to remove the threat. Certainly against armies that do not have access to cannons you should be okay. It's only really tournament lists where it would be a bad idea. I think and against Elves, Undead, Chaos and to some extent Ogres you should get away with it much of the time. I'd definately say a 4+ ward on the wizard is a must no matter who you are facing!

Syn Ace · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2012, 10:50:41 PM »

Quote from: Freman Bloodglaive on April 24, 2012, 08:58:10 PM

I still ~~cringe~~ get all tingly when I see the wizard wagons, and even the new war altar... they're just so... ~~oversized~~ awesome.

Almost as ~~bad~~ awesome as the ~~giant pigeon~~ majestic griffon.

There I fixed that for you

I just put my war altar together and length-wise it looks shorter than the old one, but it is a lot taller. The buff wagon is coming together nicely, though I prefer the look of the Luminark.

Dunno if I'll ever put a Wizard Lord on it though -- unless I pop a talisman onto him.

Hetelic · « **Reply #20 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:01:21 PM »

Quote from: tcklein on April 24, 2012, 06:09:55 PM

You'd think they would at least get lore master on their respective rides.

This. Especially since the model comes with a library inside :p

Souppilgrim · « **Reply #21 on:** April 24, 2012, 11:07:06 PM »

It is kind of weird that putting him on just a regular horse is a better option.

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