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Offline KTG17

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Using codexes from different editions
« on: June 07, 2021, 04:09:38 PM »
So I am wondering about 8th edition, and how there was an 8th edition army book for High Elves, but not Skaven. The Skaven had to use their 7th edition book for 8th.

Is that fair? I don't know the difference between the 7th and 8th edition High Elf books, but if I were playing a game of 8th, expanding on what came in the Island Of Blook for example, would it be more fair to use 7th edition book for both armies? I am not sure if the points/rules for the 8th army books benefit from the 8th rules, so it could be the Skaven aren't optimized for 8th edition.

Is this pointless to wonder?

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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2021, 04:57:58 PM »
It is fairly pointless to wonder. That said, as an Empire player, I myself would prefer to play 7th Empire AB adjusted to 8th, since that was the only time the Empire could really compete with the best of armies.
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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2021, 05:28:39 PM »
This is actually a really cool subject to discuss. As 8thed is my main for gaming, I will try giving some of my thoughts on the matter.

As far as Warhammer goes, having codexes/army books from different editions facing each other is a pretty standard thing. I would rather say that this is the norm and situations where all the books become updated during a single edition are pretty rare. Even when all the books become updated  (like in 6th edition Fantasy of 8th edition 40k), there can be also additional materials which buff certain armies and change the balance between the books significantly. When considering 'power levels' of different army books, never had there been a situation where all armies were considered equally matched. To me this is all is very subjective, as the game is so complex and nuanced that pursuing perfect balance actually takes away from it. A lot has been said on the subject of balance through the years but the aspect I always like to bring up is that player skill is always a huge factor. Some people can do amazing things with army books considered ‘trash’, while other struggle to win with lawnmower lists. It’s better to throw down some dice and see how it goes, than to worry in advance too much.

When it comes to the 8th and 7th ed High Elf books I would say they were very close in raw stats and point values. The 8th ed has obviously more in it (meaning, more units), but in 7th the elite infantry was a bit more efficient. There were also more magic items in it. This was toned down in 8th, but at the same time a lot of very good options like the Loremaster, sisters of avelorn and phoenixes were added. I would say you're okay using the 8th one for the additional options.

When it comes to Skaven, the 7th ed book was an absolute powerhouse when it came out. The amazing magic, items and solid units made it a top-tier option for tournament goers as far as I can remember. Since Skaven relly on big units of infantry and warmachines, they transitioned into 8th ed very neatly as that's what got boosted in it. I have been regularly playing against them with various armies in the last 11 years (High Elves included) and the army holds up magnificently well against anything that 8th ed can throw at them. I would even say that apart from a few overcosted special characters there are really no bad options in that book (there are a few stellar though, which steal the spotlight).

So summing up - I would say the 8th ed High Elves and 7th ed Skaven are very well matched and in this case you have nothing to worry about.
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Offline brr-icy

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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2021, 06:46:41 PM »
i don't play 8th as i don't like a single thing they changed for the edition. But i generally see 8th as pretty unbalanced anyways, so i don't think it matters.

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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2021, 06:55:22 PM »
There are official GW FAQs to bring skaven, brets and beastmen books somewhat in line with 8th edition. The skaven one in particular is quite lengthy.

edit: here is a link:

https://eefl.freeforums.net/thread/129/wfb-edition-official-faqs-download
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Offline KTG17

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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2021, 12:27:12 AM »
Ha said codexes should have said army book for the title.

When it comes to Skaven, the 7th ed book was an absolute powerhouse when it came out. The amazing magic, items and solid units made it a top-tier option for tournament goers as far as I can remember. Since Skaven relly on big units of infantry and warmachines, they transitioned into 8th ed very neatly as that's what got boosted in it. I have been regularly playing against them with various armies in the last 11 years (High Elves included) and the army holds up magnificently well against anything that 8th ed can throw at them. I would even say that apart from a few overcosted special characters there are really no bad options in that book (there are a few stellar though, which steal the spotlight).

Great! I don't know if you followed any of my huge thread covering my dive into WFB, but I decided early on to use 6th Ed as my ruleset, and Ravening Hordes as my army book. So if it wasn't in that, I wasn't going to use it. I was surprised to see that in the 6th Edition Skaven army book, they removed the Doom Wheel, so I am glad its in Ravening Hordes as I have the plastic version of it, and love it. But I didn't take much of a look at the 7th army book until your post and I have to admit now after reading that, what an amazing looking army book. I mean the Skaven options really got improved upon as far as models go. I just wasn't sure if the High Elves would benefit more from newer rules in 8th, or if the point values would have changed much, that kind of thing.

So summing up - I would say the 8th ed High Elves and 7th ed Skaven are very well matched and in this case you have nothing to worry about.
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Good deal!

i don't play 8th as i don't like a single thing they changed for the edition. But i generally see 8th as pretty unbalanced anyways, so i don't think it matters.

Yeah its not my edition of choice as far as I can tell, but I thought I would play a few games with the starter as it came and maybe expand on it if I was inspired by the Island of Blood novel.

There are official GW FAQs to bring skaven, brets and beastmen books somewhat in line with 8th edition. The skaven one in particular is quite lengthy.

edit: here is a link:

https://eefl.freeforums.net/thread/129/wfb-edition-official-faqs-download

Thanks!

Offline brr-icy

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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2021, 11:32:53 AM »

Great! I don't know if you followed any of my huge thread covering my dive into WFB, but I decided early on to use 6th Ed as my ruleset, and Ravening Hordes as my army book. So if it wasn't in that, I wasn't going to use it. I was surprised to see that in the 6th Edition Skaven army book, they removed the Doom Wheel,


The thing about 6th is it's the most supported of any edition. If a character or unit wasn't in the book, it was in a white dwarf or citadel journal (#49 if you're looking for the doomwheel and verminlord)

wfb6thcharacters.blogspot.com is a site i've been using to compile all the extra units, characters, army lists, etc. rules for everything are in there. the 6th skaven book is really good as well.

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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2021, 03:13:58 PM »
Agree. 6th and 7th skaven books are between solid and overpowered. Though maybe thats just my experience.
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Re: Using codexes from different editions
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2021, 04:53:38 PM »
Agree. 6th and 7th skaven books are between solid and overpowered. Though maybe thats just my experience.

6th was overpowered if you made a skyre list. otherwise it was just good. I don't tend to use my skyre list unless i want to absolutely dominate someone lol. usually during a campaign, i'll throw it in there as a random encounter if someone is dominating all the way through the tree