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Title: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Midaski on May 05, 2007, 03:29:50 PM
Talabecland occupies a large area in the centre of the Empire mainly covered by the Great Forest, but it is still a major route for trade via the Stir and Talabec rivers.

Library Link:  http://warhammer-empire.com/library/aisforaltdorf/the-grand-duchy-of-talabecland/

Current Ruler: Elector Count Helmut Feuerbach ..... (but he's been missing since the Storm of Chaos)
 so possibly Elector Count Gustav von Kreiglitz (WFRP source)
Capital: Talabheim
Province Colours:   Red and Yellow




Map Links: (Colour)  http://www.fys.ku.dk/~blicher/Talabecland_v2.jpg
   (Black & White)    http://www.fys.ku.dk/~blicher/Talabecland_v2_bw.jpg


Notes:
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on May 27, 2007, 11:51:29 PM
Will repost my fluff....at least it'll be easier to find this time!

The Army of Talabecland
Drawn from the men of Talabheim and its' surrounding province, the Second Battalion of the Grand Army of Talabecland is generally led by Johann Feurbach, first son of the missing (and presumed dead) Elector Helmut Feurbach. However, in recent times, the holy church of Sigmar has turned its attention towards Talabecland and, in particular, towards its army. As such, Feurbach has found himself demoted within the army leadership as Warrior Priests and a Lector have gradually assumed control. Joined by an ever-increasing number of crazed Flaggelants and several of the artillery gunners who normally guard the walls of the capital, the Second Battalion is currently encamped near the city of Volksdorf, under the command of General Helstrom.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: patsy02 on May 29, 2007, 09:49:23 AM
5000 points of mean Talabeclanders and counting <3
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on May 29, 2007, 11:03:17 AM
Ooo, you're up on me something chronic. Any chance of seeing some pics? Please?  :-)
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Helgrund on May 30, 2007, 10:49:19 AM
Lord Roth, Grandmaster of the Knights Panther has lost patience with the the power struggle created by missing Elector. While the nobility bicker, routing chaos warbands have further added to the dangers that lurk within the Great Forest. Beastmen and mutants have become more aggressive, attacking towns in large numbers.

Taking matters into his own hands he has taken charge of the Talabecland regulars to put a stop to the growing menace.


2500pts of models (mostly 6th ed)
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: PaleKing on May 31, 2007, 11:39:56 AM
I've been a Talabecland player since the launch of 6th and they are still my favourite. I guess I'm on about 4-5000 pts of painted models but fielding everything would not be a legal army. I'll post some pics once I've photographed my army.

Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: PaleKing on June 01, 2007, 09:31:02 AM
I'm a little confused about the background material for our current ruler though. Can anyone elaborate on the following?

As far as I remember, first edition WFRP material had Gustav von Kreiglitz as the Elector Count. When Storm of Chaos occurred it seemed that we suddenly had Helmut Feurbach, who has been missing ever since SoC, which is fine, I guess he succeeded Gustav sometime between WFRP editions.  The new edition of WFRP is set after the events of SoC and makes reference to Helmuts dissapearence. However - the gazetteer (Sigmars heirs pg 91) lists Elector Count Gustav von Kreiglitz as the ruler of most of the settlements and makes no reference in the text as to why von Kreiglitz should be the one to apparently step up as ruler in the absence of Feurbach. Shouldn't Gustav von Kreiglitz be ancient history by now?

With all that in mind, the section on Talabecland also includes the following text which is puzzling to say the least:

Bek
Chief town of the province ruled by Count Joseph von Behring..... Count von Behring was an early supporter of Elector Count Feurbach's coup after the death of Feurbach in battle and now he expects help in return. Feurbach has sent a troop of his personal guard to Bek to maintain order.


This dosn't make sense to me. Firstly, according to the Gazatteer Bek has a pop of 750, compared to Kusel with 6,500 so how is Bek the "chief town of the province"? Secondly, if the figures are a typo and Bek is indeed the chief town, how come it is ruled by Count Joseph rather than Krieglitz/Feurbach?

Thirdly - the sentence "Count von Behring was an early supporter of Elector Count Feurbach's coup after the death of Feurbach in battle and now he expects help in return. Feurbach has sent a troop of his personal guard to Bek to maintain order dosn't make sense to me. Are we talking about two Feurbachs here? and is one still in charge somewhere?

Sorry if none of this makes sense, but to honest it dosn't make a lot of sense to me either. I expect I've missed something somewhere along the line so if anyone can help me out I'd be grateful. It's hard to write background material for our armies when there is this type of confusion hanging over it.

Cheers
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: patsy02 on June 01, 2007, 09:46:17 AM
Yeah, I'm a bit confused about Talabecland's fluff too.
In the 6th edition it was said to be a poor province with restricted use of gunpowder etc.
Now they have a regular economy and field "small elite armies".
Personally I can't see why talabecland would be poor, when it streches across half our empire. Shouldn't geographical size and variance like that make a stable income?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: FVC on June 01, 2007, 11:09:39 AM
If you think about it, Talabecland ought to be a rich and prosperous province. The Talabec, a major trade route passes through the province, making it the gateway between the northern and southern Empire. The river must be useful for irrigation as well, and with its large land area Talabecland must contain a lot of arable land. As Talabecland suffers no major military threats, like Chaos in Ostland, beastmen in Middenland, or orcs in Wissenland, you would think they would have the peace needed to become a major power.

So, I would think that it is an economically powerful province. Due to all that land area, I imagine agriculture would be particularly important, and that Talabecland might well be the breadbasket of the Empire. This would make the province particularly wealthy, or at least its nobility wealthy, but also account for a reputation as a bunch of backwards farmers. Other than Talabheim, which is not technically part of Talabecland, the province looks to have a mostly rural population, which would explain much.

Regarding the rulership, I was under the impression that the Krieglitzes still rule in Talabheim, though not in Talabecland. I should think that there are many Krieglitzes throughout the province, as a successful noble family would surely intermarry with as many other nobles as possible. As such, Gustav von Krieglitz could still rule some settlements without necessarily being the Elector Count. Perhaps Helmut Feuerbach married his daughter, thus becoming the Elector Count legally and without breaking the chain of succession? Sadly I have unable to obtain Sigmar's Heirs and cannot check what's in there to speculate, but the problem doesn't look unsolvable.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: wissenlander on June 01, 2007, 12:30:49 PM
Educated guesses are usually needed in this sort of stuff.  FVC does a good job of it (even though neither one of us seems to have read Sigmar's Heirs).  There is a lot of stuff that happens with little or no explanation and we have to make the call on what we think happened.  Compounded with that is the fact that Roleplay fluff often contradicts Battle fluff.  Very frustrating.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: mwalsh867 on June 01, 2007, 12:38:09 PM
Compounded with that is the fact that Roleplay fluff often contradicts Battle fluff.  Very frustrating.

QFT.  The rpg is nice for extra background, but contradiction of other sources (Warhammer Fantasy, Mordheim, 1st ed rpg, novels, etc) is common.  Essentially, the warhammer world (and especially the Empire, as that is the "starting point" for a human perspective) is a unique fantasy setting observed and described many different ways.

-Matt
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: FVC on June 01, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
Aye, it's quite irritating. The Empire is particularly badly off in that respect. Factions like the lizardmen or the Dark Elves have it fairly easy, and it's not too hard to work out who's in charge of what, where, and what they're doing. Even beginning to sort out the tangle of Imperial nobility is a horrendously complex and contradicting task. I seem to remember a certain discussion about Karl Franz's heir which showed that, as did another argument about whether Middenheim is the capital of Middenland. (It's not, or so say I.)

With an issue like Talabecland nobility, oddly enough GW hasn't spent a lot of time discussing it. All we can really do is make educated guesses. I've found WFRP background to generally be quite good for fleshing out the background presented in the ABs, which makes my inability to get Sigmar's Heirs that much more infuriating. If it's written to the same standard as Knights of the Grail, I'm sure I'll love it, but there aren't many stores around that carry a large WFRP range, and the one I do know of is sold out.

Actually, come to think of it, isn't there a WFRP sourcebook on Talabheim? Terror in Talabheim, I think it's called? Surely that would contain relevant (if contradictory) information?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Rightnow on June 01, 2007, 01:04:19 PM
I just looked up Talabecland's info in Sigmar's Heirs. I don't think it is a economic super power, but it certainly is prosperous from all of the woodcraft and logging. The ruler is Elector-Count Helmut Feurbach. Talabheim is huge with a population of over 70,000. Any city that size will have a powerful, full time, standing army with elite troops.

Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: FVC on June 01, 2007, 01:27:44 PM
Indeed it should. We knew Talabheim has the political and economic clout to go about acquiring independence from Talabecland, and to survive and prosper independently.

Naturally, Talabecland isn't a super power... moderately strong is how I would describe, quietly prosperous and ignored. Its big weakness, it seems to me, would be lack of industry and urbanisation. Reikland is undoubtedly the wealthiest and most powerful province, with an independent Nuln as another big player. Those two have a relatively urban population (relative to medieval standards, that is), powerful trade guilds in the cities, and the beginnings of factories appearing. Talabecland is still mostly rural. Their biggest challenge will be developing their urban centres to rival the metropolitan nature of Altdorf or Nuln.

The secession of Talabheim would be a major blow to that, I should think. Reikland is fortunate because Altdorf has remained part of it, even though Altdorf is by itself as powerful as any other city-state. Both Nuln and Middenheim also snatched independence (from Wissenland and Middenland respectively); like Talabheim, that must have weakened those provinces. Still, Talabheim depends on Talabecland for a lot, and the same goes the other way around. If I were the Elector Count of Talabecland I'd be very interested in what's going on in Talabheim...
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Guvnor on June 01, 2007, 03:30:16 PM
So, if we assume that both -heim and -land are still relatively good at working together (unlike some other cities-provinces we could mention) then we probably end up with a practical power that is certainly near to the most economically powerful, if not on top.

Reading very recent nemesis crown fluff (and I know the problems with the modern GW) it appears that talabecland does have some strong industry ribboning along the talabec which wouldn't be covered by talabheim. (will fill this out later after finding booklet- worth reading as quite a few areas are in talabecland) If we add this to its central position and relatively safe localities (their forests are certainly not the worst, by a long chalk) we could put talabecland as a in-the-top-quarter powerful province, even without talabheim.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: LochNESS on June 02, 2007, 06:50:17 PM
No, any area that was mostly rural in Europe was economically maybe not bad off but no where near the urbanised areas (Northern Italy, Lowlands, areas around Hamburg, Cologne & London etc) But the mostly rural hintherlands were moderately wealthy at most (which means thay could store grains etc for worse years, afford some form of organised defenses etc) In terms of wealth there is nothing in the Empire that compaires to Reikland in that.

However, in many places there was one big 'supercity' for that region that dominated trade, crafsmanships etc. In this case it would be Talabheim that still dominates Talabecland in many ways. Almost all trade would pass through Talabheim and therefore pay taxes etc there. Considering the mentioned size (70.000) this is one hella big city. In the real world think Berlin or Genua/Venice in that time, Amsterdam had around renassaince days 150.000-200.000 guesses differ a bit... and was one of the largest cities in Europe. I still think that Talabheim in most aspects would be 'capital' of Talabecland. It is the major economic, cultural and religious and military player in the area. Although lower counts etc would have small armies, Talabheim could affort to 'outclass' them.

As for terms of soil, Talbecland seems to be pretty covered in woods, which did not generate a whole lot of income. Hunters etc were not considered the best off. It does provide oppertunities for other industries though. And another thing would be that there is little known about the conditions of the soil. The southern provinces seem to be pretty good off in terms of soil, as is Averland (with their horses). We would have to consider smaller villages here. With a fortified small city that dominates a certain area and functions as tradehub for the rest of the province (and from there on to the rest of the Empire)

Btw, is there any knowledge on the position of Talagaad and where it is in terms of position to Talabheim/Talabecland?

You are right on one thing though. The 'identity' of provinces keeps changing
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Bob Jacobs on August 27, 2007, 06:28:12 PM
I'm making aTalabecland Army as well, the fluff centered around a wealthy nobleman who is (with the count ising) raising an army to defend his lands and people from harm.

I have about 2000 points of 'em (about half of them painted).
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: PaleKing on August 28, 2007, 11:00:23 AM
I've found a reason for the initial confusion - a good old fashioned misprint....

The Black Industries WFRP Errata download includes a note to say that Kreiglitz is included in the Sigmars Heirs gazateer as a misprint. The explanation is :

"Information in the Gazetteer on Talabecland is a bit confusing compared to information in the quick data section. Helmut Feuerbach is the real elector of the province, gazetteer has von Krieglitz as a misprint. Talabheim is a chartered free city but is more closely tied to its province than Altdorf or Nuln. The situation has been exacerbated due to the elector count going missing and the countess seeking to become the elector for the whole province (making the situation like that of Boris Todbringer and Middenheim/Middenland). Kusel is the provincial capital, but is second to Talabheim in terms of wealth, power and fame."
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on August 28, 2007, 12:53:32 PM
Soooooooo....if that's the case, who's the new player? (this 'countess'?)

(I'll admit I have a vested interest in this, as one of my characters is Johann Feurbach, the son of Helmut. My guy could become the next Elector :))
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Bob Jacobs on August 28, 2007, 06:34:08 PM
The countess would be Feuerbach's wife, no?

So your guy's mother :biggriin:

Also: I never heard of Talagaad before, what is it? And about Knightly Orders: I read somewhere the Knights Panter are very powerful in Talabecland, I made my own Order for my army: The Order Of Taal's Hunters.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on August 28, 2007, 09:11:07 PM
Oh, that could be an interesting fight.

"Men! We go to war against....my mother!"
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Wyzer1 on August 28, 2007, 10:10:40 PM
Oh, that could be an interesting fight.

"Men! We go to war against....my mother!"
your mom goes to war...

Oh the "Your Mom" jokes are a flying
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: wissenlander on August 30, 2007, 02:04:29 PM
It could happen.  Although not exactly the same, images of Henry II and Eleanor of Aquataine come to mind and the relationships that they had with their children.  If the atmosphere was right then it would be plausable for a son to strike out against his mother.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Teclis on September 13, 2007, 07:18:34 PM
i have no feelings...

Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Bob Jacobs on October 08, 2007, 04:19:30 PM
i have no feelings...



That's not very good!

Back on topic though: My Talabecland Army is coming along nicely. I have about 1k painted now and played three games at this level and won them all :happy:. Ain't that nice?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Helgrund on December 14, 2007, 05:40:30 PM
I just got 'The Empire at War' book which goes through 5 battles in the history of the empire.

Fluff varies and changes according to GW whim but this book has some very pretty and original art to back it up.

The first battle it covers is the battle of the talabec between Otillia and the count of stirland (no name) set in 1300-ish. Despite being over a millennia ago it still has some army archetypes for the two provinces.

Otillia's army;
-Lots of Ulrican support
-Templars/priests of Taal
-lack of technology, stone throwers/artillery available to stirland but none for talabecland
-mercenaries and militia. Stirland had 15k troops while Otillia struggled to get 10k troops. Talabecland has a small pop so in a struggle to get enough men lots of irregulars were paid for. Huntsmen, woodsmen and the average man defending his home make up most of the militia. Mercenaries mostly from the border princes.
-lots of freelancers. Again due to small pop.
-100 Knights of the Black rose. Otillia's personal guard and the cream of Talabecland. Fluff from other sources may disagree with this one and there is no mention of them still being active today.

One last interesting note is that Otillia is regarded as the villain by many but its not so black and white. Count Stirland allegedly bribed and 'inflenced' many electors when he was crowned emperor with Otillia coming second in the election. Otillia declares the election void and herself as Empress by default. Count Stirland then attacks Talabecland as a show of power.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: wissenlander on December 14, 2007, 07:02:09 PM
Well, I'm not totally sure if it's acurate but I think the Count of Stirland is Martin?  That's who was in charge during the War of Ostermark Succession, the campaign that was run by this site a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Gree on February 08, 2008, 11:37:59 PM
I was wondering Talabacland's capital city of Talabheim if the comet city, devoted to Sigmar yet the state itself outlawed the worship of Sigmar in 1360. This was ended later but I seems odd for that to be. Now all of the gods of the Empire are worshiped in the Empire. But What about the status of Sigmar in Talabacland?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Northern Storm on February 08, 2008, 11:40:49 PM
The Empire's people are known as "Sigmar's people" regardless of State, Province or City.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on February 09, 2008, 12:58:02 AM
The outlawing of Sigmar in 1360 was during the time of the Three Emperors, when the Grand Duchess Ottilia was in power in Talabecland. To gain the backing of the High Priest of Ulric, she outlawed the worship of all gods except Ulric; this mainly meant that the Church of Sigmar was sent into hiding. In any case, the province of Talabecland has always primarily worshipped the god Taal, with Ulric a close second and Sigmar third.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: FVC on February 09, 2008, 12:27:23 PM
Actually, she just banned the Cult of Sigmar (on the basis that Sigmar never achieved divinity, and thus his cult was heretical).

Indeed. I suspect banning the worship of Taal in Talabheim might not have gone over that well... :happy:
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on February 09, 2008, 11:27:39 PM
Actually, she just banned the Cult of Sigmar (on the basis that Sigmar never achieved divinity, and thus his cult was heretical).

Indeed. I suspect banning the worship of Taal in Talabheim might not have gone over that well... :happy:

Ahh yes, my mistake...never try and write a sensible, reasoned reply when you have your girlfriend sitting on your lap  :icon_rolleyes:. The little timeline I have for Talabecland has the Sigmarite Heresy docterine listed for 1361.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: HoS on July 14, 2008, 06:19:10 AM
This doesn't count as threadomancy, right?

My army is a Talabecland one, for the most part. Around 3500 points.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Warlord on July 14, 2008, 11:18:57 PM
This doesn't count as threadomancy, right?

My army is a Talabecland one, for the most part. Around 3500 points.

Thats the whole point of these threads. Though generally a little bit more info about your army might help - such as your fluff motivation or painting practicality...
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on July 15, 2008, 12:51:43 AM
Hey, what happened to my post between HoS and Warlord?  :? It doesn't count as threadomancy if you post pics  :-P
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: HoS on July 18, 2008, 06:18:44 PM
Thats the whole point of these threads. Though generally a little bit more info about your army might help - such as your fluff motivation or painting practicality...

White and Red is easy. That is my whole fluff motivation. Really, I am that simple.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on July 18, 2008, 11:30:53 PM
Thats the whole point of these threads. Though generally a little bit more info about your army might help - such as your fluff motivation or painting practicality...

White and Red is easy. That is my whole fluff motivation. Really, I am that simple.

That's the city state of Talabheim :p. Talabecland is red and yellow.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: HoS on July 19, 2008, 10:15:11 PM
Bah! You know how many times I have gotten the two names mixed up? Every time I try to say it. I really do know what I am talking about, I swear. Now I need to check if there is a Talabheim thread, cause I coulda sworn I already posted in one of these.

Hah! There is! I knew I wasn't crazy.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: BAWTRM on November 10, 2008, 09:47:07 AM
I came upon this description of Talabecland and a player who uses them in a BatRep back on TWF, thought it would be good for a laugh here. :icon_mrgreen:

"Traditionally Paul has been one of the most generous and best-humoured players I have had the pleasure of knowing. For many years, week after week, hed bring along his stout lads of Talabecland, Steam Tank still at the garage, artillery batteries on loan to the Emperor, compensated for by a host of eager foot troops out for a straight up fair fight, with stats that were inversely proportional to the size of their prodigious cod-pieces. Of course they never got a straight-up fair fight! March-blocked they would plod across the field being showered in projectiles and spells, and when they finally reached the enemy lines eagles would be waiting to divert their charges and turn their flanks, and even when they got a clear shot at a charge the enemy would never hold. Every week these poor lads were shot, lanced, hacked, gassed, burned, bolted, cometed, terrorised, kebabed, pitted, eaten, flamed, impacted and generally run-down in numbers beyond belief. Yet every week the lads would be back, as numerous and keen as ever. I dont know what it is about Talabelcand, but I rationalised it to myself that in such a bleak, farflung corner of the Empire there is not much to do in the evenings, and though their chances of victory are very small their cod-pieces are indeed very large, and perhaps herein lies the explanation to the mystery of their exceptional proliferation."
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Acadian on May 12, 2009, 07:54:44 PM
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Well thats a pitty,...
I never reacted at this thread, but it was nice to stop by.
Learned some new things about Talabecland.
I have a Talabecland army +- 5 a 6000 points.

State troop Infantery based.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Von Breden on May 13, 2009, 04:25:11 PM
Well, I'm not totally sure if it's acurate but I think the Count of Stirland is Martin?  That's who was in charge during the War of Ostermark Succession, the campaign that was run by this site a couple of years ago.
Martin was count of Stirland during Manfred von Carstein's time. It was he who ultimately (?) slew him at the battle of Hel Fenn. Now I can't remember when this took place, but I believe it's not so long ago?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Inarticulate on May 13, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
Well, I'm not totally sure if it's acurate but I think the Count of Stirland is Martin?  That's who was in charge during the War of Ostermark Succession, the campaign that was run by this site a couple of years ago.
Martin was count of Stirland during Manfred von Carstein's time. It was he who ultimately (?) slew him at the battle of Hel Fenn. Now I can't remember when this took place, but I believe it's not so long ago?

I think Hel Fenn was a couple of hundred years ago.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: wissenlander on May 13, 2009, 08:55:12 PM
Indeed, it was several hundred years prior.  The Count of Stirland during the battle against the Ottilia, in the Empire at War, is nameless for whatever reason, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Inarticulate on May 13, 2009, 10:58:08 PM
Indeed, it was several hundred years prior.  The Count of Stirland during the battle against the Ottilia, in the Empire at War, is nameless for whatever reason, unfortunately.

*cough* GW lazyness *cough*
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: wissenlander on May 14, 2009, 01:57:47 AM
That's laziness of epic proportions, but I would agree.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Boldrick on June 19, 2009, 07:27:24 AM
well since the storm of chaos never happened i suppose the count is not missing?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Baron Grenz on July 13, 2009, 04:21:08 PM
Threadomancy I know, but in choosing my Empire province I did a fair amount of research and I am hoping to clear up some previous disputes about Talabecland.

Taken diretly from WFRP: Sigmar's Heirs p.89

"The dominant feature of talabecland is the Great Forest, which stretches from end to end along the province's axis. ... Although there are isolated villages scattered throughout the forest, and despite the Talabeclanders' skills as woodsmen, the interior of the Great Forest remains a mysterious place to many. Deep within it lurks bands of Beastmen and Greenskins left over from the last Incursion of Chaos, as well as maleficient things that have lived there since the dawn of time."

This can be seen as the reason for the provinces lack of power and ecconmic growth, as much of the land cannot be used for large scale agriculture, mining or population growth.

The area not covered by the Great Forest are split into 3 distinct places: the Barren Hills, the Farlic Hills and the Kolsa hills. The only decent area being Farlic Hills.
"the Barren Hills ... More than 100 years ago, ... the Chaos moon Morrslieb spat upon the world, its spittle landing on what were then called the Green Hills. Soon, most plants and animals within the area died. Those that did not mutated in horrible ways and had to be destroyed by the Elector Count's forces."
"Near Ostermark are the Kolsa Hills, which are largely uninhabited but known for eldritch stone monuments atop many hills"

The Independant City-State of Talabheim has been governed by the Kreiglitz-Untern family. The current countess is Elise Kreiglitz-Untern.
WFRP: Terror in Talabheim
"The countess is a short, portly woman with homely features - formerly the butt of many jokes before her assignment to the highest post in the city. Despite her appearance, the Countess posesses a shrewd mind and a deep understanding of how politics really work in the city."
"To an outside observer, the Countesses rise to power was quick and with little debate. However, for those aware, her increased power was not withou considerable gnashing of teeth and threats of murder."


Also Taalagad is the prominent port of talabheim, situated outside the Western point of the Taalbastion, just under the Wizard's Way.

All this said I hope it clarifies certain points.

Baron Grenz
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Overlord Fuzz on July 22, 2009, 08:31:08 PM
Here is the fluff on my general and my army. Hope you like it.

Sigmund Erloser vom Talabec, or "Sigmund Redeemer of the Talabec" was raised in an unconventional way. By sheer luck or perhaps the wishes of the gods, he was taken in by a small pack of wolves when his parents were slaughtered by highwaymen on the road from Talagaad to Talabheim. By the time of the seventh anniversary of this course of events he returned to his hometown of Talagaad. He studied and worshiped Taal to give thanks to nature and the mercy it had given him. The Great Forest and the River Talabec were some of his most beloved places and vowed to defend them and cleanse them of the foes of the Empire.

When he was at the age of twenty-six he began to gather other followers of Taal along with as many able soldiers as existed in the Province of Talabecland. Once his force was large enough, the Fist of Taal began their crusade against the forces of evil aiming to desecrate their homeland. Somewhat distancing themselves from the armies of Talabecland the Fist adopted the prominent colours of teal and black. Teal stands for the beatiful flowing River Talabec, while the black represented the tranquility of the Great Forest in the dead of night.

To this day Sigmund the Redeemer leads his troops against hordes of emerging Skaven, bloodthirsty greenskins and terrifying shambling corpses led by fallen lords that now prey upon the living as malicious Vampire Counts.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: aaakker on July 29, 2009, 09:24:59 PM
I really love the map of Talabecland. But it features many cities and villages that I have never heard of (in warhammer stories/fluff). Is there anything known about these cities besides Talabheim?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Inarticulate on July 29, 2009, 10:27:16 PM
I really love the map of Talabecland. But it features many cities and villages that I have never heard of (in warhammer stories/fluff). Is there anything known about these cities besides Talabheim?

There might be something in the book Sigmar's Heirs, but other than that, I don't think so.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: wissenlander on August 03, 2009, 11:53:44 AM
Sigmar's Heirs gives some insight into abour 4 or 5 towns from each province.  Some are well known, some aren't. 

The ones that are reviewed are Bek, Lieske, Priestlicheim and Talabheim itself.  There's no section covering each city state, which is kind of unfortunate.  And actually, the first time I even recognized this rather glaring ommission.           

There's also a chart that lists the more important places within the province and it lists the size of the settlement, the ruler, population, how wealthy it is, the source of the wealth, garrison and militia numbers and any other interesting notes on the side.

Even though the lists are nice, I highly doubt they are comprehensive as the population totals are so small that it would indicate the complete ruin of some provinces (Hochland) and that even the strongest provinces (Reikland) are doomed to the millions and billions of chaosy demon things that come out of their warp every spring.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: oak_prince on July 26, 2010, 03:13:29 AM
I've been tearing part the basement looking for my stack of old White Dwarfs hoping to find this article(from 2000-2002ish) about imperial heraldry. Anyone with the article or the newer book on empire uniforms care to tell me what sort of things the Talabeclanders put on their banners?

Ended up find the White Dwarf article(from 2007!).  :eusa_wall:

Time to make a few test troopers.
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Talben21 on August 03, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
I just posted this because the Grand Duchy of Talabecland always deserve to be ahead of the dogs of Stirland!

After all, Stirland is merely a "County" whereas Talabecland is the Grand Duchy of Talabecland!
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Tardis82 on May 24, 2013, 05:57:33 PM
Well I've been working on my army for about 6 months and almost have 2000 points painted woohoo. Sigmas bless Talabecland. I have had mixed results with them as I have beaten a dwarf army but lost to a chaos warriors army not good!
 :ph34r:
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: stretch_135 on May 25, 2013, 11:40:19 PM
Well I've been working on my army for about 6 months and almost have 2000 points painted woohoo. Sigmas bless Talabecland. I have had mixed results with them as I have beaten a dwarf army but lost to a chaos warriors army not good!
 :ph34r:

Good work :) Any pics of your army?
Title: Re: The Province of TALABECLAND
Post by: Tardis82 on May 26, 2013, 08:05:12 AM
I will try and post some up soon