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2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« on: October 28, 2012, 11:27:33 AM »
I am helping our DE player today against the new Chaos marines.

We are developing the DE player because between them and Tyranids (his other army) he is hating Warhammer 40k right now. 

Our Chaos Marine player will enjoy getting to use a full alotment of points and we are doing basically open lists.

I'll do some pictures and we will see how things go!
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2012, 06:45:00 PM »
why is he hating the game?
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2012, 08:14:38 PM »
He is struggling to win with any sort of consistency.  Tyranids can be hard to play, and DE need to be played in a specific fashion to be truly successful.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2012, 10:14:06 PM »
He is struggling to win with any sort of consistency.  Tyranids can be hard to play, and DE need to be played in a specific fashion to be truly successful.

I'm guessing he doesn't wish to paint up hundreds of gaunts and hormagaunts?
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2012, 01:01:52 PM »
He has 70 assorted models for termigaunts and hormagaunts, but mostly it is his hatred of vehicles.  The absurd price of carnifex doesn't help either!
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2012, 02:32:08 PM »
He has 70 assorted models for termigaunts and hormagaunts, but mostly it is his hatred of vehicles.  The absurd price of carnifex doesn't help either!

Vehicles are relatively easy to deal with, provided you don't mind spending money.  Hive guard are quite points efficient at inflicting bunches of glances on most things, even heavy venom cannons have a new lease of life now ap - isn't totally lame.   What you cant do is shake/stun things into submission any longer.  I like Zonethropes too, but they have short ranges.

Carnifexes are still quite good, but you need to keep points down to less than a Trygon.  Why do I get the feeling that you know all this already though Philly?  :-D

What kind of build you going with on the dark eldar front?  I have never played as Dark eldar, but I have played against them quite a bit. 
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2012, 02:51:18 PM »
Oh I think Tyranids can be quite effective, though in some cases I find the point costs bafflng (again, naked carnifex are crazy high).

I'll post the list shortly.  We are doing it next Saturday.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2012, 03:37:55 PM »
Oh I think Tyranids can be quite effective, though in some cases I find the point costs bafflng (again, naked carnifex are crazy high).

I'll post the list shortly.  We are doing it next Saturday.

In 5th with wound allocation fun, you could get a lot out of a Carnifex brood and a Prime.  Best use for Fexes IMO is twin twin-devourers turning them into a gatling platform.  Of course you can spend a huge bunch of points on them, but if your going to use them for combat, might as well field them naked or upgrade to Trygons.  Unfortunately the Fex has been getting progressively more expensive for a while.

You still get a high toughness high wound, good save model for your points Philly.  Its perhaps not the 115pt bargin it was in the past, but its still a battering ram against the right unit!  Being S9 means it doesn't need to mess around using Smash [or whatever that MC ability is] and half its number of attacks like the regular s6 MCs the nids field will have to.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 11:31:12 PM »
Definitely sounds like 2 Carnifex and a Trygon would probably fix most of his issues. Outflanking genestealers with Brood Lord could be a cheaper option cash wise though. Nids always scare me.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 01:35:28 AM »
Oh, he has a great selection of models and could make tons of good armies:

12 warriors
2 tyrants
3 brood guard
1 hive guard
2 venomthrope
12 zoanthrope
4 carnifex
1 trygon
2 tervigon
40+ genestealers
2 broodlord
60 termagaunt
50 hormagaunt
10 gargoyle
2 lictors

Just a question of working on a coherant strategy.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 02:47:13 AM »
Oh, he has a great selection of models and could make tons of good armies:

12 warriors
2 tyrants
3 brood guard
1 hive guard
2 venomthrope
12 zoanthrope
4 carnifex
1 trygon
2 tervigon
40+ genestealers
2 broodlord
60 termagaunt
50 hormagaunt
10 gargoyle
2 lictors

Just a question of working on a coherent strategy.

Yeah, looking at that he should be able to build something fun and competitive. What Nid stuff does he like? Swarms of Gaunts? Big Gribblies? Elites? He could convert some Mycetic Spores as well. I haven't checked to see if they fit but Tervigon(s) and Carnifexes in Mycetic Spores sounds horrible.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 11:13:52 AM »
I think the issue is it is his first army and he hated not having vehicles.  I tried to tell him that tyranids don't need vehicles, but you know how it is, you always want what you can't have!

He has a couple spores he made and has dropped carnifex from them.  I think I will try playing around with some tryanid armies...
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 12:45:18 PM »
Maybe let him use one of your armies for a while and you use his Nids.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 01:11:58 PM »
Oh, he has a great selection of models and could make tons of good armies:

12 warriors
2 tyrants
3 brood guard
1 hive guard
2 venomthrope
12 zoanthrope
4 carnifex
1 trygon
2 tervigon
40+ genestealers
2 broodlord
60 termagaunt
50 hormagaunt
10 gargoyle
2 lictors

Just a question of working on a coherant strategy.

Loads of good stuff there!  In my experience with nids, what you need are disruption troops.  Something annoying that can cause a huge amount of destruction.  I like Yrmgrl Stealers for this, but the Deathleaper is also good. 
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 01:15:46 PM »
I negotiated that whole block of troops for only $400 on bartertown for him!  I was blown away.

I should make a list and play it with him.
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2012, 07:59:01 PM »
Always wheeling and dealing Phil. Nice bargain.

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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2012, 08:09:45 PM »
I really thought so!

I however am still sitting on a HUGE pile f demons because I just can't get too excited about the army under 40k!  I bought a heap of round bases to rebase the assembled ones too!
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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2012, 10:35:33 PM »
There's a sort of nasty flying circus list I've seen do well but that's it. Boring as hell! So many missed opportunities for Doom style cyberdemons. Need more stuff like Soulrender and Forgefiend.

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Re: 2500 point Dark Eldar vs. Chaos Marines!
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2012, 08:54:29 AM »
I really thought so!

I however am still sitting on a HUGE pile f demons because I just can't get too excited about the army under 40k!  I bought a heap of round bases to rebase the assembled ones too!

I converted my fantasy Daemon army that was all kinds of broken into a 40k army without spending a huge amount of cash.  I just love the models.  Its just a shame most of mine are metal and therefore fall apart and paint chips all the time, despite many coats of varnish.

Daemons are sweet!  Just avoid playing Grey Knights and your all good!.  The new rules for Screamers and Flamers are exceptionally good.  Ive seen a tzeench based list, with a couple of units of plague bearers that won a big tourney, you can find the list posted online somewhere. 

Maybe they will get some more daemon engines for the army when it gets a redo.
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