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Offline Jmash

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The Imperial Dragon
« on: October 15, 2021, 10:36:46 PM »
All this talk of Demigryphs and mythical beasts recently has made me wonder - I remember reading that as well as Deathclaw, the good Emperor KF himself could also take the Imperial Dragon as a mount (8th ed I think...?).

However, I have never once seen an example of Karl Franz making an appearance on said dragon in anybody's collections that I've come across. The only Empire dragon I have ever known is the Forge World one with the character of Elspeth Von Draken.

Has anybody ever fielded KF on the dragon or know anybody who has?! Have you ever even seen an example of KF on the big lizard from anywhere in the world before?

Tell me what you know! :::cheers:::

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2021, 01:05:19 AM »
Back when I first got into the game in the late 90's, most of the people I played with were using then-recent large monsters in their armies. One guy had a dragon which he would just blu-tac a knight to proxy as Karl Franz. I don't remember anyone complaining. I guess it just depends on who your playing against.

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2021, 04:27:22 AM »
All I know ... and all I care, is that my Karl Franz rides a Griffon.  And I don't mean that huge fat thing that he was last seen riding before the time that shall not be real.  I mean that 6th Edition dude, which maybe it was made before that, but what do I know? Not much. :icon_wink: :icon_lol:
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Offline Fidelis von Sigmaringen

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2021, 08:26:23 AM »
The Imperial Dragon as mount for KF was introduced in 7th edition. Here are some previous threads with suggestions:

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=21629.0

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=39343.0

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=46873.0

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=37088.0

I loath the model of KF on Deathclaw - he looks every inch a prince - a Prince Carnival. That model is an insult to the Empire. The best model for KF is the 6ed EC on Griffon. A Griffon that has not been fed so much on hormones and steroids that it now borders on the obese, but is a lean, mean killing machine.
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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2021, 08:26:22 PM »
The questionableness of chonky Deathclaw aside, KF on dragon is somthing that is almost never done. Mostly because there is no real Imperial Dragon model that I am aware of.

I think perhaps they included it in the 7th Ed book for the sake of encouraging people to get in too conversions. However a dragon of the era is a massive project not just to paint but also assemble. Remember that this is before the introduction of resin or plastic beasts/monstrous mounts, all metal.

By the time the plastic and resin dragons did start to appear was pretty much the end of 7th Ed, not to mention that dragons were pretty obsolete by that point...
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Offline Fidelis von Sigmaringen

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2021, 09:30:14 PM »
I should think there are few players putting KF on the dragon, because the dragon was basically a Dieterian folly. 
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Offline Jmash

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2021, 09:43:24 PM »
The Imperial Dragon as mount for KF was introduced in 7th edition. Here are some previous threads with suggestions:

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=21629.0

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=39343.0

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=46873.0

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=37088.0

I loath the model of KF on Deathclaw - he looks every inch a prince - a Prince Carnival. That model is an insult to the Empire. The best model for KF is the 6ed EC on Griffon. A Griffon that has not been fed so much on hormones and steroids that it now borders on the obese, but is a lean, mean killing machine.

Aha! So some people did make this combo afterall!

Interesting to see he was never a particularly viable option in-game so clearly wasn't done very often.

As I write this I am also reminded that new dragons are/ have been released for AoS, I wonder how KF would look atop one of those?...

Hmm...

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2021, 12:36:23 PM »
I like chonky deathclaw. just gives him some presence on the table. The old model was so tiny, and the head piece ridiculous. I do like the one that I've seen coming from a third party. I'll post some pics of it once it's released

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2021, 05:16:07 PM »
I like chonky deathclaw. just gives him some presence on the table. The old model was so tiny, and the head piece ridiculous. I do like the one that I've seen coming from a third party. I'll post some pics of it once it's released

100% Agreed.

Though to be fair, I prefer the two headed variation that the Amber Wizard uses.
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Offline Heinrich von Kampfmann

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2021, 07:58:00 PM »
I've played my kitbashed Karl on the dragon a few times. The first time he got assassinated by terradon riders hitting him with rocks, killing him turn 1.  :-D :-D :-D Might have to bring him out sometime again, been a few years....

Offline Jmash

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Re: The Imperial Dragon
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2021, 02:13:50 PM »
I like chonky deathclaw. just gives him some presence on the table. The old model was so tiny, and the head piece ridiculous. I do like the one that I've seen coming from a third party. I'll post some pics of it once it's released

100% Agreed.

Though to be fair, I prefer the two headed variation that the Amber Wizard uses.

Seconded, old KF is teeny. A Griffon needs some size and Deathclaw is afterall described as being the biggest of big so a 'regular' Griffon would be a bit smaller I guess.

I've played my kitbashed Karl on the dragon a few times. The first time he got assassinated by terradon riders hitting him with rocks, killing him turn 1.  :-D :-D :-D Might have to bring him out sometime again, been a few years....

That is not very becoming of the great Emperor or his ferocious lizardy mount...