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GamesPoet:
Questions on Number of Knights in Units for 6th, 7th, & 8th ...

1.  If I recall for 6th & 7th edition, Knightly Order units were better fielded in an Empire army with 5 figures?

The idea being that losing 1 of 5 didn't bring a unit down to 75%, and thus no morale check.

2.  Wondering what this was like for 8th Edition as well?

3.  What was the impact in 6th, 7th, and 8th on this when fielding a captain on horse with the Knightly unit?

warhammerlord_soth:
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The Black Knight:
In 8th I usually go with something like 9 or 11 IC/reiksguard for my hammer units. Rarely bother with regular knights, when I have two units that have acess to S4, I'd have to run a fully mounted list in order to need the normies. I also never take more as they become too points heavy. These dudes are for flank charges and in general cooperating with my infantry units who act as anvils.

I don't think I've ever taken a captain with them (maybe a BSB once or twice). I don't feel like he contributes to the outcome of combats that much with his puny 3 attacks. I also don't feel like I need Hold the Line! They are not foot troops, they aren't meant to take a beating and pin the enemy in place, they need to choose their fights and punch through. If I'm rolling a break tests with them it means that I have already goofed real bad and probably the battle isn't going in my favour. Kinda like giving banners to missile units - if you're in combat with them, you goofed and that stick is not gonna save you!

But they absolutely NEED a mounted Warrior Priest, to mitiagte that rubber lance syndrome. The unit only has 10-12 attacks, you need these to strike home in order to do anything, hatred is necessary. The prayers are just a bonus, if you get them off - good for you but don't count  on it too much.

EDIT: I should mention that even though I don't take normal knights for hammers, they are of course perfect for small 5 men units to chase away enemy chaff and go after shooters (the so called "Vanilla Knights").

GamesPoet:
Woah, thanks for that post!

9 or 11 knights seems like alot, which rings of 8th Edition, oh well.  And yep, the vanilla knights is part of 6th and 7th edition tactics too if I recall.  Also, a good reminder regarding the mounted warrior priest, which I got one converted up somewhere, and need to finish him!

I vaguely remember some folks sometimes might bring 8 or 9 knights in a unit for 6th & 7th.

The Black Knight:
No problem GamesPoet, I'm curious what other tactics people can share :). Been playing 8th quite a lot lately so it's all coming back!

You are right about the vanilla knights being a staple in 6th and 7th. I'm pretty sure I first heard of this term on this very site (insert the Elrond "I was there 5000 years ago" meme here ;)).

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