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Between the Battles & the Art ... => The Count's Tavern => Topic started by: Finlay on January 19, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
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It used to be 3 colours minimum.
I would like to use my Delves in a 1500 point battle on Friday.
My Hydra is not undercoated, and my Spearelves are not undercoated (they also consist mostly of those old unipose HE spearmen, and 10 old menghils manhide flayers)
Is this going to be a problem? I know I should paint them, but I don't have a garden/anywhere to spray models. I am going to spray them in the garden of my friend who I am playing after the battle. (as long as it isn't raining)
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Ring and ask.
If you have played there (Exeter) before with your Empire, and they know you, I would expect them to say ok this time, but no next time ...............
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My nephew plays in a games workshop with his unpainted space marines. I think you can get away with it.
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Oh this is way too funny. I don't know of any store in New England that requires a painted army, of almost any kind, not that I couldn't be shown where there is one. Try enforcing 3 colors on top of a base in the New England area and folks will argue for two on top of a base coat. If the GW store in Boston enforced such a requirement, no wonder they are out of business.
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I can't imagine them limiting casual play with unpainted armies...That would be retardedly uninviting.
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From memory at the GW in Syd I used to go to they only let you play 1500pts fully painted.
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From memory at the GW in Syd I used to go to they only let you play 1500pts fully painted.
That would have been a while ago.
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From memory at the GW in Syd I used to go to they only let you play 1500pts fully painted.
That would have been a while ago.
Well as it's been almost 6 years since I stepped into a GWAUS you're probably right.
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The hobby is about painting as well as gaming.
When I worked at gw it was three colours except on beginers sunday and even then they had to show the army was being painted.
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I thought the whole "3 colours" thing was dropped a long time ago anyway?
My GW has been letting unpainted armies play for years.
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In Germany it is dropped but I still prefer to go to the other shop where I can use alternative models. :icon_rolleyes:
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You'd be hard pushed to find a single painted model on my GW gaming nights. :icon_lol:
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The hobby is about painting as well as gaming.
When I worked at gw it was three colours except on beginers sunday and even then they had to show the army was being painted.
I know :(
But I can't spray them!
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I thought the whole "3 colours" thing was dropped a long time ago anyway?
My GW has been letting unpainted armies play for years.
my LGS- ex GW still runs the 3 paints thing, but only for "official events" they also don't allow LOTR or other brands in their official events as well
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We've had it established for a very long time that Hong Kong doesn't count for anything. Cheese mongerer land isn't applicable elsewhere.
Mogsam
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How much money one could make if he opens some competition over there....well on the other hand the asians are quite competetive and perhaps they need that kind of warhammer gaming.
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sounds anal to me, but prime white, face and hands-flesh, weapon-steel and you have a wissenland trooper, who is painted in three colors. steveb
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I have seen a guy that just primed his space marines and painted three stripes in green red and blue on their heads....done.
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I have seen a guy that just primed his space marines and painted three stripes in green red and blue on their heads....done.
As sad as that is, it would work!
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There are people who like to paint there are people who like to game I don´t understand why anyone should enforce either one of those groups to do anything that he dislikes.
To encourage it like granting extra points in shop tournaments to painted and best painted armies is on another paper.
Perhaps I have seen Star Wars Return of the Jedi too often but if you enforce crap like that on me I want to go all Rebel and just do the exact opposite you want to force upon me.
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Perhaps I have seen Star Wars Return of the Jedi too often but if you enforce crap like that on me I want to go all Rebel and just do the exact opposite you want to force upon me.
More like rebel without a cause. No one is forcing you!
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Oh, don't force me to answer that.
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There are people who like to paint there are people who like to game I don´t understand why anyone should enforce either one of those groups to do anything that he dislikes.
To encourage it like granting extra points in shop tournaments to painted and best painted armies is on another paper.
Perhaps I have seen Star Wars Return of the Jedi too often but if you enforce crap like that on me I want to go all Rebel and just do the exact opposite you want to force upon me.
I almost completely disagree.
Unpainted armies are fucking lame.
As I said, I am doing it because I can't spray mine, butr after the battle I am going to Tostigs house to spray them in his garden, and will paint them before I use them again.
I saw someone using an artmy with 3 valkyries the day after they were released. lame.
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so now because you think it is lame i suddenly have the urge to.......still not painting them. Or to paint them in my own leisure speed :happy:
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I hope you don't suffer from lack of oxygen way up there on that pedestal, Finlay. :wink:
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Perhaps I have seen Star Wars Return of the Jedi too often but if you enforce crap like that on me I want to go all Rebel and just do the exact opposite you want to force upon me.
More like rebel without a cause. No one is forcing you!
The GW store clerks would force me to paint them, but hey I don´t have to play there so everything is fine and I don´t have to paint them. So I choose to boykott them (well their store mainly) because they woke my tiny rebel inside of me.
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srsly, paint your models before coming to the eurobash.
If you dont like painting, go play video games.
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The funny thing about this, you seem quite serious about it.
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I think he is!
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I'm 100% serious.
No one had ANY unpainted models at the 2 eurobashes I have been to, including all the european travellers, and all Soth's belgian compatriots.
I'd find it quite insulting if you turned up with unpainted models. It would definitely make me want to play you less.
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Back when I was working part time in GW stores in London we would only pull out the three colour rule if the tables were already full of gamers, in that case we would give preference to the painted armies over the unpainted.
Otherwise it was lassez faire, unless there was an imminent visit from a cell manager or some other corporate dignitary in which case the player concerned would be quietly led to the painting table until the danger had passed... :unsure: :ph34r:
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I'm 100% serious.
No one had ANY unpainted models at the 2 eurobashes I have been to, including all the european travellers, and all Soth's belgian compatriots.
I'd find it quite insulting if you turned up with unpainted models. It would definitely make me want to play you less.
So I guess I am lucky there might be other people that wouldn´t mind it as much as you do.
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It always amazes me what people choose to be insulted by...
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Shut your trap flagboy.....
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I choose not to be insulted by the childish comment of the little girl who hides her tiara under a santa hat.
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But the tiara grants me +1 power dice per turn! :blush:
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I'm 100% serious.
No one had ANY unpainted models at the 2 eurobashes I have been to, including all the european travellers, and all Soth's belgian compatriots.
I'd find it quite insulting if you turned up with unpainted models. It would definitely make me want to play you less.
So I guess I am lucky there might be other people that wouldn´t mind it as much as you do.
Well seeing as NOONE ELSE (caps, because you seem not to have realised this) had any unpainted models, you might find it a bit tricky.
Just paint your models you bum. You have months!
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Having a painted army doesn't make you an immediate snob towards people who don't have one. As much as folks are harrassing him to get there I'm sure they wouldn't suddenly tell him to go back home because all of his stuff isn't painted.
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This reminds me of some of those, if EVERYBODY jumps down from a bridge would you join discussions with some children I had lately.
If Soth would be insulted if I show up with unpainted models, than I will try to get everything painted if he is fine if only half the army is painted I won´t.
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Having a painted army doesn't make you an immediate snob towards people who don't have one. As much as folks are harrassing him to get there I'm sure they wouldn't suddenly tell him to go back home because all of his stuff isn't painted.
Midaski would....just so I stay the Phantom of the Eurobash.
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Having a painted army doesn't make you an immediate snob towards people who don't have one. As much as folks are harrassing him to get there I'm sure they wouldn't suddenly tell him to go back home because all of his stuff isn't painted.
I would, if I was there.
I hate people who don't paint their armies, hate them with all my guts. Beats me how they value other things over painting, like eating or brushing teeth.
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I'd be happy to use only painted models, so long as people agree to smaller games. Though I should be able to manage 2000 points by then!
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Than I would offer to play 2005 points against you....but I think you loathe and hate me at least as much as finlay and you also wouldn´t want to play me.
Well after the first couple of beers that is.
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This reminds me of some of those, if EVERYBODY jumps down from a bridge would you join discussions with some children I had lately.
If Soth would be insulted if I show up with unpainted models, than I will try to get everything painted if he is fine if only half the army is painted I won´t.
Yeh, because painting an army is the same as killing yourself.
A better analogy would be getting invited to a fancy dress party, everyone else dressed in fancy dress, but you cant be fucked, so you just go in jeans and a t shirt.
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Only if one of the guests determined the dresscode.
Soth´s house Soth´s rules not Finlay´s but if you would host the next Eurobash I promise I would paint every single piece of plastic in my house...........I promise :engel:
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Than I would offer to play 2005 points against you....but I think you loathe and hate me at least as much as finlay and you also wouldn´t want to play me.
Well after the first couple of beers that is.
Dude, I don't hate you, I just think it is lazy, and bad form, to not turn up with at least 2000 pts painted to an EU event where a lot of trouble has gone into arranging it, and everyone getting there.
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I guess this is your official invitation to the Mid Atlantic Bash, Fandir. I won't yell at you...much.
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Than I would offer to play 2005 points against you....but I think you loathe and hate me at least as much as finlay and you also wouldn´t want to play me.
Well after the first couple of beers that is.
Why would I loathe you? I've nothing against you, we just have different views.
I agree with Finlay as people using those "If someone told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?" things annoy me. Especially as it's often used for things like "Why did you eat that cake on the plate?" "I was told it was allowed" "Well would you jump off a bridge if you were told?" "No, because I'm not suicidal, and that cake was delicious".
Finlay is allowed to consider it rude, he's allowed to consider you a small piece of fruit. It's his own judgement.
I know I will make the best efforts to get a full 2k force, Dark Elves or Empire, ready for the bash.
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Only if one of the guests determined the dresscode.
Soth´s house Soth´s rules not Finlay´s but if you would host the next Eurobash I promise I would paint every single piece of plastic in my house...........I promise :engel:
Well, seeing as Soth has several thousand points of painted models, with 2 kids, and running a business, I'm sure you can manage to get to 2000.
Ah but no it's alright. Don't bother trying to make a little bit of effort to enhance the weekend for everyone you play against.
It's easier just not to bother.
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Well, seeing as Soth has several thousand points of painted models, with 2 kids, and running a business, I'm sure you can manage to get to 2000.
If you don´t see a connection there I can´t help you :engel:
Ah but no it's alright. Don't bother trying to make a little bit of effort to enhance the weekend for everyone you play against.
It's easier just not to bother.
As I stated I enjoy the gaming itself more than the modelling part of the hobby, most people I play with try to encourage painting but are not insulted or try to enforce it upon me.
Still I decide that I am going to be insulted if you don´t show up in Lederhosen, without those I am sure I won´t enjoy the weekend as much as I could....also I am insulted if Midaski shows up without a bikini
and I am going to be insulted if Midaski shows up with a bikini.
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You'd be hard pushed to find a single painted model on my GW gaming nights. :icon_lol:
You don't bring any of your painted models?
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Finlay: seriously. Get off the high horse please. I am one of those people that love collecting, love playing, but hate painting with a passion. That doesn't mean that I don't do it. It's just that I don't enjoy it at all. I will make an effort to have my Skaven ready by then, but that is for me, to make me feel good. Not to meet someones requirements.
You rolled out some pretty big guns here like you find it insulting if someone turns up with unpainted stuff. For me, the Eurobash is an event where I can finally meet some of the people I spend so much time online with and play some games of Warhammer. If all the models there are painted it'll be awesome. If not, it shouldn't be a big deal. Consider what is worse: turning up with unpainted models or making someone feel unwelcome because he does.
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:::cheers:::
gee I already was in great fear that you wouldn´t let me in your car with any grey commandos
Has Oss already contacted you that he also might join our German hit squad?
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He actually hasn't. Where is he from, and does he have a bigger car than me? because mine will propably not be big enough for three people, baggage and armies.
But it is cool to be able to split the gas three-ways.
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Do either of you argue that the game is not better if everything is painted?
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Nope not at all beautiful painted armies are a blast to look upon and to play with and against.
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Some people paint very slowly, either because they cannot do it otherwise or because they want every model to be perfect. Should they not play until they're done?
Also, not everybody has Soth's level of awesomeness (no irony here). And some people have other hobbies which are time-consuming. GW models are expensive, and it is perfectly understandable that people want to use them even if not painted.
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As I told Wiss in another thread....to little hate....to little hate. Nobody will understand you or take you serious this way.
Too much sense in it too.
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Do either of you argue that the game is not better if everything is painted?
No, where did you get that idea? Read my post again.
But for me, painting is not fun. It is a chore. A chore that has a good result, but so does ironing shirts and doing dishes, and painting models is usually a bit less pressing. Again: I, personally, will make an effort to have my stuff ready by then. But that is for my personal pleasure of having it done, and I will certainly not call the trip off if I don't make it.
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No, where did you get that idea? Read my post again.
Wow, you are so cool man. No really, you are.
I don't play against unpainted armies, nor against people who don't have the basics of the rules.
Nor look at ugly women.
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It's been well established that you're too cool for this site Shadowlord.
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Well you could just give every other person at the bash a fully painted army as a gift so you wouldn´t come to that problem would you?
Like with ugly women sometimes fate inflicts you with a sudden and unexpected peek at some, and like at a crash scene of a bad accident you can´t look at it but you also can´t look away.
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You'd be hard pushed to find a single painted model on my GW gaming nights. :icon_lol:
You don't bring any of your painted models?
Last couple of times I haven't been down to play games.
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Wow, you are so cool man. No really, you are.
I don't play against unpainted armies, nor against people who don't have the basics of the rules.
Nor look at ugly women.
(http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz318/morpheuskom/facepalm-lion-facepalm-demotivation.jpg?t=1264014592)
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:biggriin:
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Hey! The other one was better!
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It's been well established that you're too cool for this site Shadowlord.
Well yes that's a given, but unless I get nerdness each day I will explode because of my awesomesauce.
That picture won't change that I do not look at ugly women.
I am too frikkin sexy for me to let my ego down that way.
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Do either of you argue that the game is not better if everything is painted?
No, where did you get that idea? Read my post again.
But for me, painting is not fun. It is a chore. A chore that has a good result, but so does ironing shirts and doing dishes, and painting models is usually a bit less pressing. Again: I, personally, will make an effort to have my stuff ready by then. But that is for my personal pleasure of having it done, and I will certainly not call the trip off if I don't make it.
The arguement had got silly, silly counter points.
I understand painting armies is hard, and perhaps a chore, but you probably have some Skaven done already, and Fandir too. If you spent 4 hours a week painting (which is the time you prob spend on the forum) then by the bash you will probably have 2000 done.
Obviously I'm not saying I don't want either of you at the Bash, and I do play games vs Tostig's unpainted knights (and this friday will be the first time I use unpainted models) I'm just saying it would be more fun for me (and probably for any other opponent, and probably for you, I just don't want to put words in your mouth) if your armies were painted, and seeing as everyone else there last time, which had to be upwards of 20 people, had their full 2000 pt armies painted, I don't really see why you two guys wouldn't have 2000 pts done.
If you use the "I take ages because I am a perfectionist" arguement then I want any units painted up to be the sexiest at the BAsh. If you just don't like painting, batch do them! it takes like 30 minutes per dude.
No, where did you get that idea? Read my post again.
Wow, you are so cool man. No really, you are.
I don't play against unpainted armies, nor against people who don't have the basics of the rules.
Nor look at ugly women.
Woot! someone agrees with me.
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Finlay: seriously. Get off the high horse please. I am one of those people that love collecting, love playing, but hate painting with a passion. That doesn't mean that I don't do it. It's just that I don't enjoy it at all. I will make an effort to have my Skaven ready by then, but that is for me, to make me feel good. Not to meet someones requirements.
This. I have absolutely no motivation because I suck at painting and hate it. That said, I actually am going to make an effort to paint stuff this year, but...
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Playing against a load of grey plastic is pretty depressing really. The worst thing is when someone has unridden horses representing their knights. That's just sad.
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I actually enjoy assembling and converting them. I just hate painting.
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And that's fine. But it's still a little sad to see unpainted miniatures in a game. Like a birthday cake with no candles!
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or a fancy dress party without fancy dress (still think that was an amazing analogy!)
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Guys, I actually think that the quality and enjoyment derived from a game is from the opponent, not the quality of miniatures.
The purpose of the various bash's are to get together, because we like each other on the forum, and to play a game against virtual and then realised friends.
Yes, part of meeting up is looking at each other's cool armies. But you can go anywhere and play someone who has a painted army - they could be a powergamer, a kid, a guy who got it painted by someone else, anything, and you still won't have the same experience you will while bonding with someone in real life whom you spend so much time talking to virtually.
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or a fancy dress party without fancy dress (still think that was an amazing analogy!)
Are you disappointed that no one commented on it? I think you are.
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Guys, I actually think that the quality and enjoyment derived from a game is from the opponent, not the quality of miniatures.
The purpose of the various bash's are to get together, because we like each other on the forum, and to play a game against virtual and then realised friends.
Yes, part of meeting up is looking at each other's cool armies. But you can go anywhere and play someone who has a painted army - they could be a powergamer, a kid, a guy who got it painted by someone else, anything, and you still won't have the same experience you will while bonding with someone in real life whom you spend so much time talking to virtually.
I would equate playing an unpainted army with playing a less than ideal opponent. Although obviously the suckiness of an opponent is way more detrimental than unpaintedness.
or a fancy dress party without fancy dress (still think that was an amazing analogy!)
Are you disappointed that no one commented on it? I think you are.
Obviously, that's why I repeated it!
It was much better than Fandirs "I dont want to paint my army because everyone else at the Bash did, but if they all killed themselves then I wouldn't" arguement
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But why?
It's one thing if it's a (I hate having to use this term) professional setting or something. I get that you see it as a lack of effort, which, when you come right down to it, isn't true for me. I don't have a single fully assembled model that is not converted in some way. I just don't like, and can't, paint.
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Anything's better than the old ""Well if someone told you to jump off a bridge would you?" when you do something else which is entirely reasonable to you and you were informed it was fine" argument.
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But why?
It's one thing if it's a (I hate having to use this term) professional setting or something. I get that you see it as a lack of effort, which, when you come right down to it, isn't true for me. I don't have a single fully assembled model that is not converted in some way. I just don't like, and can't, paint.
You really want to argue that playing with unpainted models is nicer/better than playing with painted?
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I sincerely doubt anyone is even thinking of trying to argue that. :icon_rolleyes:
Well, they might be thinking it in a sarcastic fashion for trolling purposes.
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It has got a little silly.
I'm gonna bow out of this thread- I hope Aldaris and Fandir manage to paint 2000 for the Bash. Not because I would make them feel unwelcome, or refuse to play them, but just because it would make for a better gaming experience for everyone.
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No, that's not what I was trying to say at all. I was challenging the "an unpainted opponent is a less than satisfactory opponent" dealeo.
You can still have fun playing without painted models.
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With a like minded person.
I just disliked his tone and that he played the evil empire telling me what to do and not to do. I actually have 2250 points painted ....not really good painted but still. But I as I stated I dislike people who take the hobby to serious and spoil the fun of others by making them feel bad about something. It is like telling Bies all the time that he is an ass because he uses special characters and tough lists.
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Not to stir up a hornet nest again but I liked Finlays analogy!
Painted armies, regardless of standard make for more visually spectacular battles.
I'm not a lover of totally unpainted armies but a couple of unit is fine. We're all always adding to our forces.
Not grey plastic mind, anyone can use a spray can.
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No, where did you get that idea? Read my post again.
Wow, you are so cool man. No really, you are.
I know, thank you! And you are obviously easily impressed.
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With a like minded person.
I just disliked his tone and that he played the evil empire telling me what to do and not to do. I actually have 2250 points painted ....not really good painted but still. But I as I stated I dislike people who take the hobby to serious and spoil the fun of others by making them feel bad about something. It is like telling Bies all the time that he is an ass because he uses special characters and tough lists.
Yea but once it's been told to you 100 times you sort of get over it. I may point out I don't use SC that often...I'm beginning to think I give off the wrong vibe to you guys. :blush:
As for painted / un-painted. Much the same as Proxying. I don't mind people proxying as long as they're intending to start that army (or trying to decide if they should collect that army) as I know in the end I'll be playing against the corect miniatures.
I don't mind painting an unpainted army as long as I know given time it will eventually progress. I won't lie and say I like seeing 5000pts un-painted and playing that 5000pts every week but it's not a major hickup imho.
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As I've just begun playing Warhammer and collecting, my whole army is unpainted - and yes. Shadowlord, sometimes I do find it hard to remember every basic rule. With a job and two kids around, it is going to take me a long time to paint the whole army (and I like painting!). But if all of you only played against painted armies and experienced gamers I would never have a chance to learn.
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You suck and should be banned for life.
Also, if we've learned anything from this thread, it's that you will never have sex at a party. Which is what all the cool people do, apparently.
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(http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz318/morpheuskom/i_was_uncool_before_being_uncool_wa.jpg?t=1264066636)
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You suck and should be banned for life.
Also, if we've learned anything from this thread, it's that you will never have sex at a party. Which is what all the cool people do, apparently.
Only if it is a warhammer party and you show up with a painted army and a fancy dress.
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You can still have fun playing without painted models.
Yes. But less fun.
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or a fancy dress party without fancy dress (still think that was an amazing analogy!)
I liked that one a lot.
The purpose of the various bash's are to get together, because we like each other on the forum, and to play a game against virtual and then realised friends.
Pfft... What experience do you have?
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About the paintedness: I'll play a person with a non-fully painted army. I do, however think that having a fully painted army makes the game a lot more fun. Therefore I'll most likely be bringing some of my old, crappily painted units instead of the new, grey, nicely assembled ones I'll have then. Painted = better. If you argue otherwise, you're wrong. And that alone should be enough motivation to paint.
Note: I actually dislike painting of units. Ten models is max for me, I get demotivated otherwise.
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If you argue otherwise, you're wrong.
Nice arguing! I like that.
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He also forgot his smiley. :mellow:
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I'm sorry, what smiley?
If you argue otherwise, you're wrong.
Nice arguing! I like that.
Yes, I'd expected that sort of reasoning would appeal to you.
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Harsh!
I like it because it's ridiculous. But it's also a shorthand version of the way most people argue. You just haven't disguised the 'or you are wrong' bit with some random nonsense.
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Well I am right because I have more post counts than Obi....
Well I never should start an argument with Rufus though!
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On the subject of posts, when on earth did you make more than four and a half thousand of them?
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IF the backtable would count I would have thrice that number!
Arguing with Finlay and Obi helps a lot!
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You can still have fun playing without painted models.
Yes. But less fun.
Yeah, but if that keeps you from playing... To stay with "witty" analogies: That's like not dating any women because none of them has the looks of Vivian Leigh, the brains of Marie Curie and the good heart of Mother Theresa all in one person.
I like it because it's ridiculous. But it's also a shorthand version of the way most people argue.
No it isn't. You suck, too.
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It breaks down to different viewpoints on the matter and how one of the parties try to enforce their view on the other party.
It is about friggin paint on some toy soldiers i dread the moment we are all drunk and someone starts to talk about religion or politics :ph34r:
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Arguing with Finlay and Obi helps a lot!
For them also.
Yeah, but if that keeps you from playing
I didn't say that. I love extended arguments too. It's always easier to argue against what you want someone to say than against what they actually say.
Also, people who don't paint their miniatures are afraid of change. And paint costs less than fueling the space shuttle, so that's no excuse either.
Drop in a really rubbish dick joke for the shadowlord factor, and you have the perfect argument for painting.
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Yeah, but if that keeps you from playing
I didn't say that.
No, I didn't mean you :icon_wink:
I think I've got the meaning behind your crankiness figured out after these years. At least partly.
Also, people who don't paint their miniatures are afraid of change. And paint costs less than fueling the space shuttle, so that's no excuse either.
They are also commie bastards who cannot prove evolution and believe in silly religious texts.
Drop in a really rubbish dick joke for the shadowlord factor, and you have the perfect argument for painting.
... umm... I got nothing.
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... umm... I got nothing. But I love Mathis with Ding Dongs....
there you go!
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I think fandir got so many posts by only registering 6 months later than you, rufus.
Well I am right because I have more post counts than Obi....
Well, actually, no, that does not make you right. Nor does it prove evolution or make you a veteran gamer.
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But it rids him of any chance whatsoever of becoming a LPCH... :engel:
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I think I've got the meaning behind your crankiness figured out after these years.
I'm not cranky. I love this stuff.
Brain-meltingly phrased arguments are what make the internet great.
No, I didn't mean you
You are guilty of using a stored-up argument then. You had something you wanted to say anyway, so you were happy to use a dubious pretext. It doesn't work very well on a forum, because people can look back over what was actually said.
A semi-comic analogy is a great way to score some undeserved points though.
I think fandir got so many posts by only registering 6 months later than you, rufus.
But he seems to have gained a large number of them only recently. In my perception, anyway.
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You are guilty of using a stored-up argument then. You had something you wanted to say anyway, so you were happy to use a dubious pretext. It doesn't work very well on a forum, because people can look back over what was actually said.
Dubious pretext? I simply used your rather meaningless statement to tie in something I had wanted to say earlier. If I'm guilty of anything, it's of not using a better post than yours for quoting. But since it is yours, you're hardly in a position to complain...
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I simply used your rather meaningless statement to tie in something I had wanted to say earlier.
Yes, that's what I said you did.
One of Finlay's ones about shooting people in the face if they don't paint their miniatures would have been more suitable.
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Yes, that's what I said you did.
And I didn't say you didn't. I was commenting on the "dubious pretext".
One of Finlay's ones about shooting people in the face if they don't paint their miniatures would have been more suitable.
As a general rule, I try to avoid embarassing people, especially when they are so able to do it themselves.
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I was commenting on the "dubious pretext".
It was dubious because your comment was nothing to do with mine. But you made it look as if it were in order to launch your argument.
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Oh, it had a lot to do with yours. That it is less fun (that's what you said) does not mean that it is no fun (that's what I said). So I actually used your statement as a steppingstone for mine.
Agreement and contradiction are not the only non-dubious ways of responding to a statement.
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That it is less fun (that's what you said) does not mean that it is no fun (that's what I said).
The funny (and when I say funny, I don't mean funny) thing is, I was replying to the statement that is was fun. I said it was indeed fun, but less fun. Then you shifted the whole thing back into binary by saying it wasn't no fun. Which was implicit anyway.
Now imagine a dick joke here so I score some more points.
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Damn, what just happened here while I was asleep?
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Since I quoted tnumber as well - who had said that it wasn't no fun - shifting into binary was valid. It actually wasn't even shifting.
(and when I say funny, I don't mean funny)
Hooray for clear communication. :icon_wink:
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Since I quoted tnumber as well - who had said that it wasn't no fun - shifting into binary was valid. It actually wasn't even shifting.
I was trying to shift it out of binary, but you had to go and shift it back. You are therefore not a human but some sort of malicious computer program. As I have always suspected.
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Why, thank you! :::cheers:::
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Go play chess with yourself, HAL.
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Would you not rather show me your painted miniatures, Dave?
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Sorry, I have go check the airlock.
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I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
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So, back table then?
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I can't remember anything else about that film apart from a giant space baby, I'm afraid.
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Allegedly, that's all it was about anyway.
And for giving pseudo-intellectuals something to interpret.
Yes, I deliberately missed this perfect opportunity to make a dick joke.
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Damn, what just happened here while I was asleep?
America is no longer a colony.
It is claimed the earth revolves around the sun.
Plate mail offers no real battlefield protection any more...
I could go on.
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I both love and loathe you soth.
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Good to see you guys kept it up :icon_lol:
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Kept what up? :engel:
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Now, all this was one waste of treadspace and one pathetic arguement. Pathetic coming from whiners... :ph34r:
Seriously, I don´t care if you got your army superpainted or unpainted, Finlay, unless you look the part. Seriously, I have wished to go to the Bash someday, but I realize all of you will so freakin´dissapoint me, even Shadowlord, but he is so awesome he makes up for it! If he play beasties and undress a bit.
Why you ask me? Well, because you wankers don´t do it all the way! None of you, save maybe good Padre and Hurenwiebel! Man this makes my blood boil!
When my lad play his Imperial guard, he dress up in his guardsman uniform! When Tom play his Vampire counts, he put on the look of the evil necromancer!
I expect no less form you, but I know you will not deliver! Personally, I have no problem coming properly dressed, and for such a big event I EXPECT everyone to be properly dressed. GW staffers are pathetic. They are never properly dressed, well, almost never. Look like pre-teens all of them... No properness there!
I am getting green facepaint so I can be a propa ork, or at least try too. When I come to the bash, if I do, I will dress in my best 17th century knechtclothes. Heck, I may even make a proper landsknecht dress and I will refuse to play Finlay when he appears in his shabby T-shirt and claim that too be a druchii dress or something!
Same goes for all of you, losers!
When I come, I expect to see all in proper dress! Fandir will be there with White robes and point ears at the least! Soth must look just like his Avatar. Rufus better look like I imagine him (yes, I really do) like a Empire fire wizard. Weib will be there dressed as a proper dwarf princess, wielding an oversized saucepan with great skill and dexterity.
And I expect Shadowlord, fielding his fancy beastmens, to be dressed in fur, having horns (well, he have them so no problem) broad shouldered and wide chested! If he comes with ogres, he better have them shavvy looking leather pants, gutplate and proper girt! Once more, I have no fear that Shadowlord will fail to deliver, but you lot! :icon_mad:
I even think Shadowlord would be the only one able to best me, cause of his awesomeness.
Yeah... That is all I have to say. If you are serious about this game you better be serious about how you look aswell! :ph34r:
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Allright; I'm switching to a Slaanesh army.
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Allright; I'm switching to a Slaanesh army.
I think all the hints Midaski's been laying out suggest he's doing the same.
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Allright; I'm switching to a Slaanesh army.
I think all the hints Midaski's been laying out suggest he's doing the same.
Actually, we're teaming up...
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Now... I wanna see pics of you two before I decide you are worthy of my Bash attention! :ph34r:
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Sorry.
Only reserved for the Bash. Take your chances...
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Well done Mathi, your argument is almost as ridiculous as the throwing yourself off a bridge one.
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Actually, we're teaming up...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/sierragulf27/funny/BarneyBikini.png)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/sierragulf27/funny/BarneyBikini.png)
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Wrong pic. We won't be wearing bras...
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Well done Mathi, your argument is almost as ridiculous as the throwing yourself off a bridge one.
Silence boy! Mathi needs encouragement, not scorn (lest he stops with his ramblings).
I know, thank you! And you are obviously easily impressed. :happy:
No, but I am sexually turned on.
And Warlord, your opinion won't change the fact that I do not still face unpainted armies or players who are either first class morons or don''t know the rules.
And I still don't look at ugly women.
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Well as I lost a bet, I will come with a plastic crown a magical wand and a pink tutu.....if Mathi begs a little I even might add my bathrobe to really be Teclis reborn.
Finlay what you still haven´t realized is that your whole argument of a painted army is as valid as the bridge AND Mathis argument combined in a fullfilled relationship with lots of little baby arguments.
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Mathi that was fantastic!
There's no doubt playing against a fully painted army really makes this hobby come alive, but I also acknowledge it's the least fun part of the hobby for some. I'm a total hobby freak. I spend about 4 hours converting pretty much every model I do (not many as you can guess), I have fluff built up over years of playing that fleshes out all my characters and heroes enough that I could probably write a novel about their adventures. Do I demand this level of addiction of an opponent? No of course not, that would be ridiculous. Is it nice when I play someone who approaches the game in the same way? Damn straight, but really that's what your regular group of players is for - finding people who you enjoy playing against who approach the hobby in the manner you would wish of an opponent.
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Mathi that was fantastic!
There's no doubt playing against a fully painted army really makes this hobby come alive, but I also acknowledge it's the least fun part of the hobby for some. I'm a total hobby freak. I spend about 4 hours converting pretty much every model I do (not many as you can guess), I have fluff built up over years of playing that fleshes out all my characters and heroes enough that I could probably write a novel about their adventures. Do I demand this level of addiction of an opponent? No of course not, that would be ridiculous. Is it nice when I play someone who approaches the game in the same way? Damn straight, but really that's what your regular group of players is for - finding people who you enjoy playing against who approach the hobby in the manner you would wish of an opponent.
And I hope that you get all the oohhhhhs and aaahhhhhhs from impressed people that will stare at your army with awe.
But you got my exact point,you can´t enforce crap like this on others.
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Is it nice when I play someone who approaches the game in the same way? Damn straight
Considering 4 hours per mini, you must play with yourself a lot.
In so many way.
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Well as I lost a bet, I will come with a plastic crown a magical wand and a pink tutu.....if Mathi begs a little I even might add my bathrobe to really be Teclis reborn.
Finlay what you still haven´t realized is that your whole argument of a painted army is as valid as the bridge AND Mathis argument combined in a fullfilled relationship with lots of little baby arguments.
my argument is that it is more fun if everyone has fully painted armies. Pretty sound.
Yours is that you hate painting, and struggle to find the time, also fair enough.
Althouh actually, you're just arguing with me because you think I "enforce" it on everyone.
Good post Draig.
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@mathi: pfft. Clearly you weren't at the 7th ed release in GW Amsterdam. I showed up as a proper standard bearer and as such was rewarded with the 6th ed starter box.
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Is it nice when I play someone who approaches the game in the same way? Damn straight
Considering 4 hours per mini, you must play with yourself a lot.
In so many way.
Goi and check his blog in the B and P
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my argument is that it is more fun if everyone has fully painted armies. Pretty sound.
Yours is that you hate painting, and struggle to find the time, also fair enough.
Althouh actually, you're just arguing with me because you think I "enforce" it on everyone.
I almost completely disagree.
Unpainted armies are fucking lame.
As I said, I am doing it because I can't spray mine, butr after the battle I am going to To-stigs house to spray them in his garden, and will paint them before I use them again.
I saw someone using an artmy with 3 valkyries the day after they were released. lame.
srsly, paint your models before coming to the eurobash.
If you dont like painting, go play video games.
I'd find it quite insulting if you turned up with unpainted models. It would definitely make me want to play you less.
Well seeing as NOONE ELSE (caps, because you seem not to have realised this) had any unpainted models, you might find it a bit tricky.
Just paint your models you bum. You have months
So if one doesn´t paint his army that bum should go playing video games and your whole tone was quite insulting and not funny (you even said yourself that you are serious) at all, THAT is what I am arguing again and THAT is bad manner not showing up with unpainted models .....don´t you think.
So as what are you going to dress up`?
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Refusing to play someone because they ain´t up to your standards of how their army should look, regardless of how they are otherwise as persons, makes you sound as if you indirectly enforce it. I for one would feel that you "enforce it" upon me because you otherwise refuse to be in my company.
I play anyone, as long as they are nice persons. I don´t try to judge a person based on their level of painted minis but on their personality.
And it´s nice to know there are persons who knows irony when they read it, Draig! :::cheers:::
I am a bit chocked that Finlay swallowed my rant hook, line and sink. Makes fer good lafz! :icon_mrgreen:
@Obi
Been over, I will give you Mathis stamp of viking approval on your buttocks! :::cheers:::
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Refusing to play someone because they ain´t up to your standards of how their army should look, regardless of how they are otherwise as persons, makes you sound as if you indirectly enforce it. I for one would feel that you "enforce it" upon me because you otherwise refuse to be in my company.
I play anyone, as long as they are nice persons. I don´t try to judge a person based on their level of painted minis but on their personality.
And it´s nice to know there are persons who knows irony when they read it, Draig! :::cheers:::
I am a bit chocked that Finlay swallowed my rant hook, line and sink. Makes fer good lafz! :icon_mrgreen:
@Obi
Been over, I will give you Mathis stamp of viking approval on your buttocks! :::cheers:::
Mathi I would even let you give me a viking hug after the game and challenge you to some axe fighting as long as I could keep my High Elf dress on (It would grant me always first strike so could fell you with one mighty blow).
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I am a bit chocked that Finlay swallowed my rant hook, line and sink. Makes fer good lafz! :icon_mrgreen:
Eh, how did he fall for it? He merely pointed out that it was ridiculous. :roll:
I do believe Finlay worded his initial posts too strongly, but I can't disagree with what seems to be his main point.
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MAthi, I realised you were joking.
And yes, I apologise for wording too strongly, as whitey said. I had had a few skinfuls, and was in a funny mood. The stress of being Hockey Captain.
Fandir, it wouldn't stop me playing against you, I was just trying to cajole you into painting them! I am sure you didn't actually thing I was suggesting you (or anyone) shouldn't come to the Bash, or wouldn't be welcome, if you had unpainted models. The Bash's really are great fun, amazing atmosphere amongst everyone.
And also note I didn't say I wouldn't play someone with unpainted models (if you remember, I actually said I play tostig and his unpainted knights) just that it would make me want to play you less.
Of course it doesn't change my desire to play with anyone that much, definitely not more than if I didn't get on with the person, or if they were cheating,
but if there were two people who I liked equally, and one had a painted army and one didn't, I'd rather fight the painted army!
Seeing as the Bash is the gaming highlight of my year, and looking at everyones lovely models (and getting killed by them) is a large part of this, I do hope (not enforce) that everyone manages to get a force painted up.
I'm looking forward to meeting everyone, and stick by my statement that once you meet me, you tend to like me more! But I wont dress up as anything.
Clear and sensible enough for everyone?
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Now you want to enforce me not to cheat!
That´s it, how do you think I should play my High Elves without cheating?
Painted armies are great, converted armies with a strong theme are even better no argument there but never enforce anybody to take the hobby as far as you go with it. It is a hobby it is only there to give me leisure and joy and therefore it never should become a chore.
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The stress of being Hockey Captain.
Impressive!
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Hat off to Finlay, I toast in your general direction.
:::cheers:::
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Field hockey, not ice hockey Wissenlander
Considerably less fighting.
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Rufus better look like I imagine him (yes, I really do)
Hey, it's nice that you imagine me at all!
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The stress of being Hockey Captain.
Impressive!
Ha, nah.
It's the development team, so mostly full of 14-18 year olds, who will be better than me in about 2 seasons!
And I'm only captain because the actual captain can't make this game. Vice-Captain I guess.
Field hockey, not ice hockey Wissenlander
Considerably less fighting.
I'll leave the fighting to you Fr1day.
If I played rugby (or Ice hockey) I'd die.
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Well, raspberries...
I was thinking Finlay had gone all goon on me without even mentioning anything.
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I'm looking forward to meeting everyone, and stick by my statement that once you meet me, you tend to like me more!
Definitely true! He's actually a very nice guy.
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I'm looking forward to meeting everyone, and stick by my statement that once you meet me, you tend to like me more!
Definitely true! He's actually a very nice guy.
True that !
And liked by the ladies, I should add (as in, my wife thinks he's cute... don't get any ideas though...)
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I know, thank you! And you are obviously easily impressed. :happy:
No, but I am sexually turned on.
And Warlord, your opinion won't change the fact that I do not still face unpainted armies or players who are either first class morons or don''t know the rules.
And I still don't look at ugly women.
I never suggested my opinion would change facts. I was merely presenting the primary reason for attending the bash.
And yes, I apologise for wording too strongly, as whitey said. I had had a few skinfuls, and was in a funny mood. The stress of being Hockey Captain.
Fandir, it wouldn't stop me playing against you, I was just trying to cajole you into painting them! I am sure you didn't actually thing I was suggesting you (or anyone) shouldn't come to the Bash, or wouldn't be welcome, if you had unpainted models. The Bash's really are great fun, amazing atmosphere amongst everyone.
And also note I didn't say I wouldn't play someone with unpainted models (if you remember, I actually said I play tostig and his unpainted knights) just that it would make me want to play you less.
Of course it doesn't change my desire to play with anyone that much, definitely not more than if I didn't get on with the person, or if they were cheating,
but if there were two people who I liked equally, and one had a painted army and one didn't, I'd rather fight the painted army!
Seeing as the Bash is the gaming highlight of my year, and looking at everyones lovely models (and getting killed by them) is a large part of this, I do hope (not enforce) that everyone manages to get a force painted up.
I'm looking forward to meeting everyone, and stick by my statement that once you meet me, you tend to like me more! But I wont dress up as anything.
Clear and sensible enough for everyone?
Much better post. But the other one had a controversial streak which got people riled up.
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Going back to the original point of the thread. (Sorry I dont have any dick jokes for you) isn't it a bit short sighted for a company that sells unpainted miniatures to enforce the use of painted miniatures in the store. If I was required to only use painted stuff where I play I would own a lot fewer models. I haven't painted in months mainly because my daughter is such a menace. I prefer to play wih pained miniatures and will take a worse list to maximise my painted content. But I will hapily use the unpainted stuff and I can only spray certain times of the year due to the weather. What is nice to see is progress though.
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...isn't it a bit short sighted for a company that sells unpainted miniatures to enforce the use of painted miniatures in the store.
That mystery is quickly solved when you realize that GW not only sells miniatures.
And the idealist in me likes to think there actually may be aesthetic reasons as well.
That said, GW around here doesn't enforce painted minis only.
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I have spent a lot more on models than paint, some of mine is 16 years old and still going strong.
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I have spent a lot more on models than paint
That's to be expected though... isn't it? Generally the paint to paint my army costs less than the army itself.
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Really?
GW charged me £25 for some gold paint the other day.
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Was it the special official Goldswords paint?