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Offline uscsmurf

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What to do with my Spearman?
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:06:21 PM »
I recently bought some troops off ebay, and with them came 6 spearman. Now, I never planned to play spearman in my army because they seem weaker in this edition compared to swords and halbs, but since I have them I may as well use them.

So I was thinking of adding them as an attachment to existing squads but not sure which ones. I have a 19 man handgunner, 10 man xbow and 10 man halb unit right now. Working on adding more halbs to about 30, but haven't yet due to time and money. But mostly money.

I am leaning towards gunners at the moment because I have more of them than anything else, but anyone have any good suggestions or thoughts as to what to do with them? Buy more and have them as their own unit? Put 5 in with xbows or halbs?

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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 08:34:26 PM »
Spearmen as a detachment isn't much good - detachments get the counter charge, which negates the benefits of having spears. You are better having the spears as the parent unit and halberd detachments. I would simply recommend getting some ax blades (or plasticard shapes of same) and sticking them on the side of the spears below the point and making halberds; put 'em in with the rest of the unit.

Spears are good - mathematically about equal with swords or halberds - but in such small numbers I wouldn't field them.
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 11:01:40 PM »
I concur, a small unit of them is pretty much worthless. You are better off converting them into something else rather than trying to field them as spearmen. They aren't even good at the role of a small five man (or six in your case) unit to be used to bait and redirect with. I prefer free company for that role as they have two attacks where spearmen only have one. Those few extra attacks can sometimes mean a few extra wounds to a unit that is attacking them.
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 07:50:23 AM »
If you only have 6 mix them in with the other state troops to bump up the numbers. a few spears will not distract your opponent from what the unit really is.

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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 09:38:45 AM »
Spearmen works absolutely best in relatively large units 30-50. Give them at least two detachments to support them.

I run them six wide against all but 40mm monstrous models to capitalize on the spearmen strengths. Spearmen are exceptionally good against low points cost tarpit units. You get a reasonably amount of kills and will break them pretty fast since you have lots of ranks.

In my opinion you should buy them a shield because if you bring spears you might as well capitalize on their defensive abilities. There are spells that you can use to capitalize on this, such as reducing the strength of your opponent, increasing your armour save, re-rolling armour saves, Mindrazors etc.

In my opinion you should bring at least one Lv2 shadow wizard if your core troops are Spearmen. Metal is also god where you can give them extra armour save and the armour piercing ability. Shadow is also very useful for your missile and artillery if you get access to that toughness de-buff spell.

Some other general tips of mine....
Put a defensive character in the corner of the unit, that way he will soak up some attacks from the enemy. You could also issue a challenge and with that more or less block some models attacking your character. Another tactic of mine is to kill the enemy unit champion (with Hochland rifles) and force the enemy uber killer character to attack my tank Character, thus reducing the number of attacks on the spearmen unit.
I have won a few fights this way against hordes that seemed more or less unbeatable at first glance...  ;)
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 02:16:08 PM »
Thanks guys for the info and suggestions. I think I am going to proxy them in with my halbs for now and bump up their numbers until I decide to get more spearmen. Like I said, I had never thought of including them in my army but I like the look of them and feel maybe they will fit my fluff and quirky army. But for now they will become halbs and bring the pain to the enemy that way.
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 05:37:49 PM »
Wait until they nerf swordsmen for 8th and make spearmen the marginally best core unit.
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 09:29:14 PM »
Wait until they nerf swordsmen for 8th and make spearmen the marginally best core unit.

I know right?  my pessimism always has me saying 'why did I convert those 50 spearmen to halberds?  They're just gonna nerf them and make spears good again!'
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 09:40:31 PM »
I'm really not sure they actually will make Spearmen either better or cheaper. I mean... they can't very well make a Spearmen with light armour 4p and 5p with a shield, the shield would be even less useful to take and spearmen at 4p is probably too cheap. GW really don't seem to inclined of using half a point.
I could otherwise envision a Spearman with light armour cost 4.5p and 5p with shields, that would make them more in line with the rest of the core infantry in the Empire.

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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 12:38:17 AM »
Wait until they nerf swordsmen for 8th and make spearmen the marginally best core unit.

I know right?  my pessimism always has me saying 'why did I convert those 50 spearmen to halberds?  They're just gonna nerf them and make spears good again!'

Heh heh, I converted my 16 old spears to halberds 6 months ago. I got about 60 more old style spearmen off ebay. I'm gonna bump up that 16halberds to 20 and use them as a detatchemnt, the rest will stay as spears.  2 of the spearmen already had broken tips so it wasn't too hard a decision.



I suggest you just mix them in until your done the rest of your army, new book comes out, then decide.
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 05:58:19 AM »
I'm really not sure they actually will make Spearmen either better or cheaper. I mean... they can't very well make a Spearmen with light armour 4p and 5p with a shield, the shield would be even less useful to take and spearmen at 4p is probably too cheap. GW really don't seem to inclined of using half a point.
I could otherwise envision a Spearman with light armour cost 4.5p and 5p with shields, that would make them more in line with the rest of the core infantry in the Empire.

I'm not too sure about the half point issue. Skavenslaves have half point options and goblins do as well. There's no reason to think they won't do the same for other armies where half point options are appropriate.
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 11:06:36 AM »
Skaven is also a 7th edition codex.
vamps don't have any half points. Do ogres? orcs and goblins?
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 11:31:03 AM »
He just said orcs and goblins do.
I don't care about the rules.

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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 02:33:48 AM »
Skaven is also a 7th edition codex.
vamps don't have any half points. Do ogres? orcs and goblins?

Ogres and Vampires don't, but as I said Goblins do. Yeah the Skaven are technically a 7th edition army book, but it was written with 8th edition in mind. A lot of the rules in the Skaven army book were giving sneak peeks at 8th edition. Much like the Dwarves were the last 6th edition armybook, but were written with 7th edition in mind. As far as I know, only Skaven and O&G have half point options at this time.
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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 09:01:40 AM »
If you already have halberds why don´t you chop of the tip and put an axe blade upt here ....tadaaaaa 6 new halberdiers in great pose.

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Re: What to do with my Spearman?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 12:04:14 PM »
Ogres have Gnoblars who cost one and a quarter of a Skavenslave.
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