Topic: Averlanders, Who should Rule Averland After Marius? [Fluff]

[Von Breden]

S5 is ridiculous for humans...

I think Hans Leitdorf should be Elector. I have written a bit of fluff where a certain Wilfried Toddvuller, appointed by Karl Franz to find a solution for this problem, but actually only helps himself. But my character is sworn to the Leitdorfs .

[steveb]

I think that the twins who bear the bar sinister over Marius's heraldry should be considered for the position.  steveb

[Karl Voss of Averland]

Steveb, do you have any reference materials on this?

So far my conclusion is that Hans Leitdorf, Brother of Marius Leitdorf and leader of the Knights of SIgmar's Blood should rule in Averland.

[steveb]

Steveb, do you have any reference materials on this?

Unfortunately no, it was all kept very hush hush, I only found out by perusing the college of heraldrys illustrated signage in the library in Altdorf.  steveb

[Karl Voss of Averland]

Also, the maps that are in the Library on this site, how were they constructed? Were they made by the Critical Hit site too?

[Midaski]

Also, the maps that are in the Library on this site, how were they constructed? Were they made by the Critical Hit site too?

No you will find acknowledgments for their authors in the main thread about the Provinces with the Poll in it.

[Karl Voss of Averland]

There they are, thanks Midaski. Hopefuly as I follow a paper trail, i'll find some more info on Marius and possible heirs...

[Karl Voss of Averland]

Along the way though I did find this Gazetteer for Averland by the same guy who drew the maps. He says he gets his data from Sigmar's Heirs but to what extent I dont know. Once I get the book I'll find some hard evidence.

Averland Gazetteer: http://www.madalfred.darcore.net/gazetteers/Averland_v2.doc

According to the above, the following Leitdorfs are named: (This again I believe is an original work by Mad Alfred, but maybe some of it is taken from text fact)

The Leitdorfs Control:
GRENZSTADT - Count Jens Leitdorf
HEIDECK - Countess Magda Leitdorf
STREISSEN- Bailiff Franz Döbreiner for Leitdorf family
WUPPERTAL- Count Kastor Leitdorf

Also, here is a nifty article about Imperial Nobility (Coat of arms etc) It details who leads and who succeeds. Good read all around, may prove useful.  http://www.madalfred.darcore.net/articles/NOBILITY.rtf

Does anyone own this text(Sigmar's Heirs)? Mine is coming on ebay still and I was wondering:
A) How accurate is this data to this book?
B) Does anyone know who Marius was married to? Marlene Apltraum?
C) Would any of the above counts take precedence over Hans Leitdorf?
D) Does it support the above posted Gazeteers

[rufus sparkfire]

Also, the maps that are in the Library on this site, how were they constructed? Were they made by the Critical Hit site too?

No you will find acknowledgments for their authors in the main thread about the Provinces with the Poll in it.

Also (more importantly  ) here:

http://www.warhammer-empire.com/library/guide/bibliography.php

Does anyone own this text(Sigmar's Heirs)?

Two reviews:

http://www.warhammer-empire.com/library/quill/heirs1.php

http://www.warhammer-empire.com/library/quill/heirs2.php

I'm not very keen on it.

[Doop123]

If no one can decide I will rule Averland.

[Karl Voss of Averland]

If no one can decide I will rule Averland.

Take a number and get in line 

[Wyzer1]

If no one can decide I will rule Averland.

Take a number and get in line 

Alright alright...

Theres a few ways we can settle this...

1.) Inquisitorial Assassination in which Wyzer1 becomes Elector Count of Averland
2.) Rivals step down for the good of the Empire and Wyzer1 becomes Elector Count of Averland

Or we can just post pics of our armies and whoever has the most *painted* Averland models becomes Count?*

Sound good?




*Takes a gamble 

[FVC]

Does anyone own this text(Sigmar's Heirs)? Mine is coming on ebay still and I was wondering:
A) How accurate is this data to this book?
B) Does anyone know who Marius was married to? Marlene Apltraum?
C) Would any of the above counts take precedence over Hans Leitdorf?
D) Does it support the above posted Gazeteers

The Averland gazetteer in Sigmar's Heirs doesn't name any specific Leitdorfs. It lists the lordship of Averheim (and some other towns) as 'contested', and marks down a number as belonging to the 'Leitdorf family', but otherwise is sparse with the names.

[Hendrid]

Marius is not dead! He just thinks he is. 

[Karl Voss of Averland]

The Averland gazetteer in Sigmar's Heirs doesn't name any specific Leitdorfs. It lists the lordship of Averheim (and some other towns) as 'contested', and marks down a number as belonging to the 'Leitdorf family', but otherwise is sparse with the names.

Does it say which towns are run by Alptraums and Leitdorfs? Do the Leitdorfs have the towns around the Capital and the Alptraums have control of the mountain regions?

Judging by all that i've read, I can see no reason why control would leave the Leitdorf family.