Topic: Imperial Armour and forgeworld help!

[Crimsonsphinx]

Hi Everyone,

I keep hearing that some forge world models are 40k approved and some are for appocaylpse.  My problem is that I have no idea which books I would need for which units, which is kind of not very helpful!

I am mostly looking at the Imperial guard super heavies, can anyone tell me, or point me to a link, which will let me know which books I would need to buy to see the rules?

Its like a chicken and the egg kind of moment.  I don't want to buy a model only to find I can't use it because we don't play appocalypse, but also without knowing what book to buy I can't work it out either.

Help is very much appreciated guys!   

[phillyt]

Technically, the use of super heavies isn't allowed in regular games unless you allow it.  They don't have FOC slots to be taken with.  They are meant for apocalypse since in many cases they use apocalypse templates.

OTher choices from forge world are issued with FOC slot options and shouldn't be a problem.  As far as I know, they are still required to be approved by you, the player I think.  I don't find IA models to be any better than regular choices.  I often use my Mega dredd and grot tanks, neither of which offer anything more than their points would allow!

[Crimsonsphinx]

Technically, the use of super heavies isn't allowed in regular games unless you allow it.  They don't have FOC slots to be taken with.  They are meant for apocalypse since in many cases they use apocalypse templates.

OTher choices from forge world are issued with FOC slot options and shouldn't be a problem.  As far as I know, they are still required to be approved by you, the player I think.  I don't find IA models to be any better than regular choices.  I often use my Mega dredd and grot tanks, neither of which offer anything more than their points would allow!

I had thought some of the units were now 40k approved?  Is that what you mean by taking up FOC slots?  My gaming group is gradually coming towards including more and more things.  We even now have a group concensus on allowing special characters, although convincing people to use forge world units when they are not part of the army books may be more difficult!

[phillyt]

Well, it is always down to the agreement of the group in question, but non-super heavies have rules and FOC slots so they aren't hard to include.

[Crimsonsphinx]

Well, it is always down to the agreement of the group in question, but non-super heavies have rules and FOC slots so they aren't hard to include.

Yeah I know.  So this is why I need to know which books have the rules for the particular super heavies I want, so I can get hold of the books and then attempt to convince them they are fair and balanced!   

I don't have an unlimited budget, so I can't afford to buy all off the Imperial armour books.  Its only the Imperial guard tanks I would really be considering, like all of the Baneblade/Shadowsword plastic kit varients, Macharious, Malcadors etc.  I have a total obsession with heavy tanks, but I can't justify buying them to look nice if I can't use them you know?  Not at £100+ anyway!

Oh and one other question, just in case anyone knows, do you get the full turret, or just a barrel with the imperial guard turret kits?  Eg this one
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Tanks/VANQUISHER-GRYPHONNE-IV-CONVERSION-KIT.html

Not much good to me unless I get a whole turret!

[phillyt]

Yeah I know.  So this is why I need to know which books have the rules for the particular super heavies I want, so I can get hold of the books and then attempt to convince them they are fair and balanced!   

Honestly, super heavies are not for normal games.  They have guns that are far too powerful and their rules are in the apocalypse book meaning they are sort of for that system.

I don't have an unlimited budget, so I can't afford to buy all off the Imperial armour books.  Its only the Imperial guard tanks I would really be considering, like all of the Baneblade/Shadowsword plastic kit varients, Macharious, Malcadors etc.  I have a total obsession with heavy tanks, but I can't justify buying them to look nice if I can't use them you know?  Not at £100+ anyway!

Many of the tanks are in the normal apocalypse book and the reloaded book.  Both are great purchases.  The other tanks... have you typed them into Google with the term PDF?  You would be surprised how many were released by Forge World as test rules.

Oh and one other question, just in case anyone knows, do you get the full turret, or just a barrel with the imperial guard turret kits?  Eg this one
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Tanks/VANQUISHER-GRYPHONNE-IV-CONVERSION-KIT.html

Not much good to me unless I get a whole turret!

That is just the turret.  If it includes a tank, it will say in the description.  Forgeworld has taken at least $600 from me.  They are super crack for Warhammer players!

[Sig]

Not quite that addicted but I've spent easy 200 bucks. All legit mind you 

[phillyt]

My $600 was legit.

But... erhmm... that isn't all the Forgeworld I bought...   

[Crimsonsphinx]

Hey Philly,

I tend to be a bit wary about downloading pdf versions of the rules, even legit ones unless they are on the GW site.  Since I only have a work laptop I can't risk downloading anything that might be a breach of copyright law in case it gets audited!

What I meant is do you just get the barrel or do I get the turret top as well?  The full tank is a seperate option.  I have emailed forge world to see if they will tell me.  I don't have any spare turrets to attach a barrel to, but I do have plenty of russ chassis that I can easily stick one on. 

I guess I need to change tact.  I think I need to test the water as to the opinion on Apocaylpse games.  I mean we already play 3000 and 4000pt multi player games, so its not too much of a stretch to go from that to Apocaylpse.

[phillyt]

I tend to be a bit wary about downloading pdf versions of the rules, even legit ones unless they are on the GW site.  Since I only have a work laptop I can't risk downloading anything that might be a breach of copyright law in case it gets audited!

Test rules are perfectly legal.  They often release PDF's.  Once released in an IA book, they generally take them off their website though.  DOesn't make them illegal though.

What I meant is do you just get the barrel or do I get the turret top as well?  The full tank is a seperate option.  I have emailed forge world to see if they will tell me.  I don't have any spare turrets to attach a barrel to, but I do have plenty of russ chassis that I can easily stick one on. 

The whole top minus the tank commander.

I guess I need to change tact.  I think I need to test the water as to the opinion on Apocaylpse games.  I mean we already play 3000 and 4000pt multi player games, so its not too much of a stretch to go from that to Apocaylpse.

3000 - 4000 isn't a bad value for apocalypse at all.  Normally 5000 is a better range.

[Crimsonsphinx]

Thanks for all the advice Philly.  Now I guess I need to work out if I can get these books cheaper than from FW directly! 

I don't want the commanders anyway, just the turrets.  I think the normal plastic Vanquisher turret is a bit weedy looking.  Where barrels are concerned, bigger is better IMO and the Forge World ones are huge!

I have a bit of money to spend on models, ive already bought a load of new chaos stuff, but I do have a bit put aside for Forge World purchases.  Its just what to buy! 

I really like these two models;
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/STORMBLADE-ARKURIAN-PATTERN.html
Why no plastic Stormblade GW?  Grrrrr
and
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Super_Heavy_Tanks/MACHARIUS-VANQUISHER.html

[phillyt]

No problem!

Macharius pattern tanks are 33% less durable than Baneblade chassis tanks.  They are a stop gap for worlds without access to baneblades.  That can help you make the right choice.

As for books, you can put feelers out on Barter Town.  Many people have them on there.

[Crimsonsphinx]

Its my understanding that they have 2hp rather than 3, is that what you mean Philly?  I have managed to dig that out while looking online!  Which translates into 6 or 9 glances on what I can only assume is an armour 14 front chassis, given that is what Leman Russ tanks have.

Seems formidable!

If I can't convince my group they want to play Apocalypse, then I will just have to buy things that are actually in my codexes! 

[phillyt]

YEs that is right.  They are very similar in point costs though, making baneblades the better choice.  Add that you can get plastic versions for almost half the prive of the FW ones they are a great choice!

I have 5 Stompas, 2 baneblades, and 2 of the new ork super heavy tanks for my ork apocalypse armies.  I adore super heavies.

[Crimsonsphinx]

I managed to get a look at apocaylpse, but not the new reloaded, last night, cos my mate has the older book.  Its looking like that is the book I need to buy, rather than any of the imperial armour ones.

Yeah I know what you mean, the baneblade style chassis seems better in rules terms, especially if your telling me the points are similar.  It seems they dont have armour 14 all around like I had thought though which is a bit off putting.  The normal Baneblade is probably the most balanced version, but I have to say that kind of thing never really appeals to me!  Why is it the one version I like the most is Forge world only?  Grrrr 

Im working on them, I think I have convinced two of them to dip their toes in apocaylpse.  Just need to pick up the newer book.  I love all tanks which can be seen in the huge amount of armour across my five armies. I am currently resisting adding another two Leman Russ tanks to my collection, I only have six for my guard!

[phillyt]

If I recall, Baneblades are 14/13/12.  The hull points are what make them awesome.  And the massive gun.

Apoc is a blast, though somewhat unbalanced at times.

[stretch_135]

I managed to get a look at apocaylpse, but not the new reloaded, last night, cos my mate has the older book.  Its looking like that is the book I need to buy, rather than any of the imperial armour ones.

Apoc/Apoc Reloaded are good for the basic rules, IA are good for expanded unit options (eg Superheavy variants, 'interesting' tank options, etc). I have 'copies' of a few of them and it's always good flipping through and getting inspired about what to build next.

Stormblade looks awesome, though I'm not sure I like their colour scheme...

[Crimsonsphinx]

I am pretty certain now that I won't be buying any super heavies.  Its just a matter of what bits and bobs I pick up from Forge world instead.  My group really isn't interested in playing Apoc so its a total waste of money me buying units I can't use.