Topic: Deamons

[Martin123]

Just thought i would share this..

https://twitter.com/Gas_Monkey82

pictures of the new deamon book...

135 points for a moving cannon which regains wounds.......  hmmm think the empire cannons are a bit expensive....

[Lord Solar Plexus]

Well, according to Warseer, Khorne has always been mainly characterized by huge cannon, lasercannon, autocannon and Daemon cannon and then unfairly had to part with it until Dr. Suess, eh, Ward found that long-lost contraption. Some also believe Khorne had to get a cheap chariotcannon because 40k Berzerkers have pistols. YMTC...

Putting on my most optimistic hat, I think it would have been better for the game if someone had locked this Ward up in some remote Scottish dungeon.

[jaggedjimmyj]

So now Dorfs, Skaven, Ogres, WoC, DoC, and chaos dorfs (? Not sure bout CD ) have better artillery than we Do. Fortunately our infantry is not overcosted.

[Noght]

So now Dorfs, Skaven, Ogres, WoC, DoC, and chaos dorfs (? Not sure bout CD ) have better artillery than we Do. Fortunately our infantry is not overcosted.

Chaos Dorfs have better artillery, cheaper too.

The Shrieker Rocket can either be a 5" S3 Template Stone Thrower or a S8 D6 Multiwound Pinpoint (scatter dice as normal) for 100.
And their Flame Cannon unlike the Dorf Flame Cannon can shoot 24" + Artillery Dice and of course does Multi-wound Str 5....

[Lord Solar Plexus]

We should look at the bright side: The new Griffon-mounted flying multishot HE cannon with dragon armour will only be S9 and the Treeman-carried magic attacks ethereal ItP Wood Elf cannon is still WIP until 21st edition.

[Noght]

and the Treeman-carried magic attacks ethereal ItP Wood Elf cannon is still WIP until 21st edition.

Sweet, there's hope for Wood Elves!

[Baluc]

Meh writing an army list for daemons is going to be extremely difficult. That Cannon might end up with no Inspiring Presence and no Hold Your Ground! Leaving it as a ld7 msu knight bait.

[The Ol Perfesser]

Happily, none of these changes to Daemons will make any difference to me.  I lose now...I'll lose in the future.  No Big Deal.   

[Sig]

Unit rolls 12 for a break test, it dies. Genius, that's certainly fun for all.

[zifnab0]

Unit rolls 12 for a break test, it dies. Genius, that's certainly fun for all.

Didn't Daemons simply disappear in 6th edition if they failed a leadership test?

[Lord Solar Plexus]

Sounds like a Honor Harrington novel. You know the game? Deploy forces. The side with HH wins the game on a roll of 2-6. On a 1, roll again.

That Cannon might end up with no Inspiring Presence and no Hold Your Ground! Leaving it as a ld7 msu knight bait.

Of course but that means people either wrote a sucky list (General/BSB with a different party line) or you managed to kill those types, which is no mean feat in itself.

Does it even have frenzy? If not, I don't see how it would be "msu knight bait" (I don't see how it could or why it would be bait for msu knights at all but I assume you meant it was easy to bait with msu knights?).

[Darknight]

A cannon with frenzy would be fantastic. Makes me want to get out my Blood Angels again.

[Grimful]

Too early to pass judgement, but I don't really like what I'm seeing so far with Daemons.

I know it's bad form to call OP early on, especially with how little experience I have, but they certainly are looking strong.

[PeytonS]

It's funny to see the reactions to the rumours on warseer, It's either "135 point broke ass cannon, the game is ruined!", or "14 point bloodletters and random charts, time to shelf the daemons!".  I'm very excited to see how the book shakes out on saturday.

[Krokz]

It's funny to see the reactions to the rumours on warseer, It's either "135 point broke ass cannon, the game is ruined!", or "14 point bloodletters and random charts, time to shelf the daemons!".  I'm very excited to see how the book shakes out on saturday.

Yp. Reads like a topic full of whiners after a mainstream MMO patch.

[Martin123]

Doc Review

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111718


Interesting that they cant take a scroll.... that means they are going get bummed by light magic...

[polybus11]

Doc Review

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111718


Interesting that they cant take a scroll.... that means they are going get bummed by light magic...

I think that just means that they can't take a Daemon version of the dispel scroll but they still have access to the rulebook dispel scroll don't they?

[kris_kapsner]

Doc Review

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111718


Interesting that they cant take a scroll.... that means they are going get bummed by light magic...

I think that just means that they can't take a Daemon version of the dispel scroll but they still have access to the rulebook dispel scroll don't they?

They take demonic gifts, which aren't magic items.  So, the Brb magic items are off limits to them...unless that is changed with this new book.

[adso113]

They have access to magic weapons if they buy demonic gifts. There are three tables: Exalted, Greater, and Lesser. You buy a roll on the list of gifts, or you can take the option to get a magic weapon from the BRB, or choose a god-specific weapon from a list they give for that level of roll.

[Krokz]

That is right. The only items from BRB they have access to are weapons. And magic standards up to 25 points for BSB only.

[Joelatron]

It is looking like my army with Waralter + lvl4 light and lvl1 light mages just got better!

Also Plague bearers as the "best" mainline troops also works in our favour.

Throw in some halberds-chuck on ws10/i10...have hurricanum and waralter (or WPriest in unit) in tow = still hitting on 3's re-rolling vs a unit that isnt going to do much back.
Demigryphs now can go rofl stomp stuff better. The nurgleflies are the first banishment targets then demigryphs to the face.

OUR KNIGHTS CAN ACTUALLY CHARGE IN AND NOT GET KB'ED BEFORE THEY STRIKE.

I dont see many downsides for the Empire unless we get korn cannoned off the board...

[Krokz]

Yep. Daemons had problems with 1+ AS armies which now became even worst for them. I expect their new Skull cannon will get 0-1 comped everywhere around here.

Still their characters are nasty and with some luck can win the game alone. And does anybody know if Master of Sorcery gift is still there? Choosing Metal lore on Herald just became an even more viable option.

edit: found out they don't have Master of Sorcery gift anymore

[Talben21]

-No master of sorcery
-No dispel scroll
- Tzeenth heralds can only choose lore of Tzeentch. Lore of Metal not an option.

They got hit hard in the magic phase.

[Darknight]

So the prevailing view is NOT that the sky is falling? Good show.

[Noght]

So the prevailing view is NOT that the sky is falling? Good show.

Well until we find out the Cannon/Chariot/Heal wounds on Impact hits turns out to be like 140 points or something silly.