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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2013, 04:26:18 PM »
I meant that it doesn't involve too much blending of paints.

True, and it would be very forgiving but the brass... The golden brass... Well that makes it take the same amount of time almost.

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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2013, 04:30:50 PM »
I meant that it doesn't involve too much blending of paints.

True, and it would be very forgiving but the brass... The golden brass... Well that makes it take the same amount of time almost.

Crimson, you need to love yer spikey boyz moar.  :closed-eyes:

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 I just don't think they are what I want them to be.  I poured about £400 into them to make them an emperors children army in 3rd, then a couple of hundred to upgrade to 4th and another £200 to make them a 6th edition army.   I just get the impression that my organically grown army is just not very good.  I never have the right models available!
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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2013, 04:32:48 PM »
Thy are banished from this thread you pointy eared T3-power-mauled-to-death Eldar.  :closed-eyes:
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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2013, 04:34:41 PM »
Tau have a frightning amount of decent skyfire though, better than any other army.  My opponent uses a commander suit with tankhunters manning an aegis line quad gun to back them up as well.  Its easy to glance a armour 12 plane to death in one round with that alone.  Never mind all the other units which can have skyfire.

Maybe in a tourney setting you won't see it, but as soon as our tau player knows hes against chaos marines, skyfire is everywhere.  I only own two helldrakes and they never survive 2 rounds of shooting.

I am assuming you attach a fearless HQ to the cultists Sig?  I have to say I don't use allies myself, so I didn't look very carefully, but I had thought chaos and guard were battle bros.  Thats another kick in the teeth for chaos.

Tacticals will get stomped by Oblits?  Really?  I can't honestly say I have ever seen tacticals in combat with them.  Both are mid/backfield units so are highly unlikely to get into a scrap with each other.   I am going off the rumours I read on centurians, sorry, no actual experience with them!

Skyfire costs huge points for most units though and each model has to buy it, not just one per squad - if the whole unit wants to shoot at planes that is. The Skyray is pretty good though. That commander on the Aegis shouldn't be glancing anything to death in one round. 4x 5+ with rerolls, with you getting a 5++ on average he shouldn't take it down. Heldrakes are the best against Tau because their ignore cover rules don't remove the invuln. All other flyers inevitably lose their Jink and get pulped, but Heldrakes hold on.

That said if you're getting tailored there's not much to say. Around here we don't tailor lists. It's not an accurate representation of balance.

Yeah, the point of the Cultists is to ferry an unscathed foot combat monster across the board, like Abaddon. He makes them Fearless, they absorb all the shots. Abaddon hits your line and all hell breaks loose. Good times. I had it done to me with Typhon in one unit, Abby in another, and two more cultist units (zombies from Typhon) sitting up the back holding objectives. Even with really poor saves from the Chaos player I still got pulped. To be fair he was just plain better than me too.

3 Oblits vs a tactical squad, well yeah, it's not much of a contest! T5 2+ means grinding through them is slow, and they have 2 power fist attacks each... vs 1 str 5 regular attack from Centurions. So they have the same staying power but the Oblits will clear their enemies whereas the Centurions will get slowly ground down.

Sorry to hijack your thread Shadowlord, your forgefiend was definitely worth the effort. It's a shame you hate resin, some of the Sons of Horus stuff they're doing is awesome, and they make a lovely autocannon set to make 5 havocs with.

Keen to see what you come up with since I know you're a good painter.

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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2013, 04:41:08 PM »
There really isn't anything you can do to stop hordes of missile pods either though Sig.  One unit that I play against in every game has a twinlinked missile pod and a missile pod on each suit.  Even without skyfire, thats a huge number of s7 shots, with half twin linked.  Combine that with broadsides with skyfire and the aegis commander its a nightmare.

Forge world make amazing models for chaos, I totally agree with Sig here! 

Can't banish me, I have a webway portal straight back in Shadowlord.   :-D

Is your plan to make your army competitive, fluffy, pretty or a combination of those Shadowlord?  In my experience, forge fiends are too fragile to survive very long, which is why mine never get picked anymore. 

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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2013, 04:47:35 PM »
That's true, they do put out a huge amount of non skyfire str7. But what's the rest of your army doing? Those guys aren't using interceptor, what are your drakes killing when they come in?

Skyfire makes Broadsides 85pts each, and they can't get Interceptor if they do. Those Crisis suits are 57pts each! Ouch man! 4 shots each and half twinlinked, but still. Your oblits shouldn't let them get away with that!

Tau are definitely the toughest of the new codexes right now though. Chaos are never going to just roll them.

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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2013, 05:01:56 PM »
I haven't been that blown away by tau to be honest.  If you are a chaos player who focuses on hell drakes, you will suffer.  But other than that, they can't deal with heavy vehicles as easily as before.

I still say neurons are top personally.  But we should do a separate thread for all of this.
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2013, 05:09:06 PM »
Is your plan to make your army competitive, fluffy, pretty or a combination of those Shadowlord?

Competitive is just an internet term most of the time because there are a lot of things that can make say a tournament competitive list fall flat in a meta that for instance use other scenarios, terrain, and non cut n' paste lists. So I will have to answer with whatever models I like the most, and all plastic of course, and no marks.

Sorry to hijack your thread Shadowlord, your forgefiend was definitely worth the effort. It's a shame you hate resin, some of the Sons of Horus stuff they're doing is awesome, and they make a lovely autocannon set to make 5 havocs with.

No sweat, this is the internet and I would have been surprised if it hadn't been derailed from the original topic.  :::cheers:::

I will have to revise my aversion to resin, because I do get bits (found other autocannons on ebay that aren't backpack fed) for my stuff like this Landraider shows.




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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2013, 05:27:17 PM »
Competitive is just an internet term most of the time because there are a lot of things that can make say a tournament competitive list fall flat in a meta that for instance use other scenarios, terrain, and non cut n' paste lists. So I will have to answer with whatever models I like the most, and all plastic of course, and no marks.

Exactly.

Tournament lists are made for a specific environment and a specific set of other lists.  They often fail against standard lists because they are built to respond to commonly seen army builds.

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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2013, 09:47:59 AM »
Lascannons should be on the front ports Shadowlord!  Due to how shooting works, you want them so you can target both at the same target, and it is easier to do that at the front!
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2013, 09:51:16 AM »
Lascannons should be on the front ports Shadowlord!  Due to how shooting works, you want them so you can target both at the same target, and it is easier to do that at the front!

And more importantly, who wants to get out of their tank right in front of the guns! They'd be shot.
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2013, 10:15:10 AM »
Real god hammers have them in the back!
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2013, 10:33:17 AM »
Real god hammers have them in the back!

Yes, but they then look stupid next to Redeeemers and Crusaders which mount them at the front!  From a strictly gaming perspective they are better on the front.  Especially as you can assault out of the side doors now. 
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« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2013, 10:38:46 AM »
Real god hammers have them in the back!


'Real?'

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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2013, 11:00:47 AM »
I mount my crusaders on the back.  Because they look cool.
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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2013, 11:19:38 AM »
No, they don't.

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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2013, 11:27:17 AM »
I put the flame cannons of my first redeemer on the back hatches. Gotta move fast in the Novamarines.

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2013, 12:02:08 PM »
I did put the redeemer flamers on the front.
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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2013, 12:38:06 PM »
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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2013, 12:45:22 PM »
Lascannons should be on the front ports Shadowlord!  Due to how shooting works, you want them so you can target both at the same target, and it is easier to do that at the front!

My Landraiders are not built to shoot and it looks cooler no matter what tender chicken breast thinks.  :closed-eyes:

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« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2013, 12:55:28 PM »
Lascannons should be on the front ports Shadowlord!  Due to how shooting works, you want them so you can target both at the same target, and it is easier to do that at the front!

My Landraiders are not built to shoot and it looks cooler no matter what tender chicken breast thinks.  :closed-eyes:

Thanks GP!

Whatever works for you Shadowlord.  My chaos landraider has weapons at the back too.  Photos on here somewhere, but it is NSFW
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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2013, 01:11:56 PM »
You can shoot models in front of the landraider with the lasers on the back doors.
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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2013, 01:15:48 PM »
My chaos landraider has weapons at the back too.  Photos on here somewhere, but it is NSFW

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Re: Once you go Black you...
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2013, 01:29:08 PM »
Guessing boob-tastic, Slaanesh style.

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« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2013, 01:49:52 PM »
Whatever works for you Shadowlord. 

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