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There's already a cannon in the list, and cannons are very haphazard weapons in my experience. But they're the one thing that can work against a dragon. So a second cannon is surely warranted.

I think it's really hard to come up with a dragon-killing list for the Empire.

-Zyg

I'm yet to be convinced cannon are a serious dragon deterrent. I'll admit to not having achieved the match up, but my beastmen who have faced dragons generally find the dragon is in melee in turn 1 or 2.

You'd need an insane amount of cannon to be able to threaten a dragon in a single shooting phase.

Played against the Skaven once, and my opponent gave up after turn two. He wanted to play themed plague army, put all his characters into a unit of plague monks with the plague-chariot-thing next to it. My archers baited them to within range and my IC knights frontally charged them, the Skaven broke, and were run down.

That's my experience with the Skaven. The player did play several more games with his Skaven, but was repeatedly beaten and never felt he could catch up with the game. Although semi experienced, he didn't play super competitively. He doesn't play his Skaven atm, but tries out other armies.

In general, I think in our circles another Skaven player has also won games, but their presence is very low. People with Skaven armies tend to find other armies more interesting. I can't say why exactly.

-Z

Our one local Skaven player from WFB who still has his army played one 1250 pt game of TOW with them and then put them back on the shelf to paint up a new Bret army.

I've played *with* my Skaven a few times in TOW, and they feel quite underwhelming - not quite Empire-level but not far from it, as both suffer from bad internal balance with a bunch of overpriced units. In a way they actually feel worse than Empire (but at least they have decent enough Core in Stormvermin).

They're the army with the most restrictions in their army composition list (only army that requires a certain unit 1+ per 1000 pts iirc, instead of just a flat 0-1 regardless of size, and half of their army is locked behind various characters, some which in turn share 0-X per 1000 with eachother...)

They're also the army that lost the most units compared to what they could field in 8th Ed. (Verminlords, Slaves, Stormfiends, Broodhorrors, lost magical attacks on almost all of their shooting, and then probably more that I can't remember on top of my head).

And to top it all off, they got nerfed the hardest in the latest FAQ/Errata-update (ironically, since they where the second worst army after Empire according to metadata at the time). Yeah Empire lost access to Bedazzling Helmet and Doppelganger was nerfed (but so was the latter for Skaven as well), but Skaven suffered a massive nerf to one of their Core Units (Giant Rats), their Assassin got nerfed, Fellblade went from "good" to "unusuable" (so there goes the only reason to ever field a Skaven Warlord), and there where something more that I can't remember atm.

Honestly, I don't blame Skaven-players for leaving their army on the shelf.
In a game where monsters (especially ridden monsters) and cavalry reign supreme, they kinda feel left out, with no ridden monsters, no fliers, no cav and only the HPA to play with as far as monsters go (and that thing is a shadow of what it once was.)

Skaven?  Ah, that's just a fairy tale, meant to scare small children into being good, no doubt.