Topic: How many models cannon can hit?

[tixed]

The cannonball goes thru the unit. In the rules indicated, that MAXIMUM model count hit (in the ranked unit) is equal to the number of ranks. That looks too odd, because:
1) if I hit a unit with number of models in rank (5) more than the number of ranks (4) (hit from the side\flank) - anyway count 4 models hit?
2) what about diagonal shoots and other tricks to increase the number of models hit?
3) if not, how can I count number of ranks (do single or two models in the back count)?
4) or cannonball just hit ALL models that are on the trajectory?

And one more... Cannonball hit the hero (W2) with Ward 4+. I must roll D6 to wound, if not 1 - roll number of wounds on D6, then my opponent roll Ward save against every suffered wound? Or I am wrong... %)

[Kaz]

A cannonball hits all models under the template to the max of the number of ranks

So in your example , yes, a flank shot could earn a singlehit more than a front shot.

And about multiple wounds, nope, you take ward before multiplying

[Captain Tineal]

You definately have to Ward Save vs every wound.  I think that when it says you cant hit more units than than ranks applies to multiple wounds.  Edit:  I stand corrected on this one, I really should get a copy of the book to keep in my office desk!

Technically the canonball does D6 wounds to each unit hit, but when it is a 1 hit unit, you dont roll for wounds.  If you did, you could end up doing 24 points of damage with 4 hits and wipe a unit out.  I think that is why that is mentioned.

Another Edit:  Might just be best to disregard anything I post today... its not going well and getting worse!!  

[RendeR]

Kaz has the right of it, You roll TO WOUND, then take ward saves, then if the save is failed you roll the number of wounds taken.

In the case of hitting a multi-wound model in a ranked unit, you hit the RnF troops normally and roll to see how many wounds are inflicted on any multi-wound guys independantly. There is no carry over on these wounds they only affect the multi-wound model being rolled for.

[Fafnir]

Indeed, you hit a guy with a cannon ball, then you roll to hit, then he rolls for Ward save and then, once Ward saves have failed, do you roll for wounds.

[tixed]

Ok thank guys, about Ward it is clear... but about the number of RnF troops hit: so, if I hit 8-wide 1-ranked unit hit from the flank (and the cannonball goes thru the all), I get 8 hits?

[RendeR]

Ok thank guys, about Ward it is clear... but about the number of RnF troops hit: so, if I hit 8-wide 1-ranked unit hit from the flank (and the cannonball goes thru the all), I get 8 hits?

Yes.

[ChumpChange]

Great way to take out a unit of uber-chaos knights. ...if your opponent is green enough to expose his flanks to your cannon.

[valmir]

With regard to tixed's question about diagonal shots, how does that work? Do you apply it as per charging (work out whether it is a frontal or flank charge/hit), or what?
This is actually something that has never come up in my games.

[Kaz]

Do you apply it as per charging (work out whether it is a frontal or flank charge/hit)

Exactly.

[Pat-Man]

With regard to tixed's question about diagonal shots, how does that work? Do you apply it as per charging (work out whether it is a frontal or flank charge/hit), or what?
This is actually something that has never come up in my games.

This was simplified in the Wargammer Annual ('02). Yes, you apply it like a charge, so if it is a hit in the unit's flank arc, it is a flank hit.

At the Hoosier Challenge, some wag wandered over to the table where I was playing, and started making (unasked for) rules commentaries on our game. When he started braying that we were doing the cannon hits wrong, I told him about the rules commentary in the Annual. He sniffed, "I REFUSE to buy the Annual!" Why he thought this was a legit argument, I'll never know. After he interrupted our game again to tell us that Wight Blades aren't magic weapons, both of us told him to go away. He stomped off in a huff.

[tixed]

Hmmm... So you say, if I hit the RnF unit in the flank\rear - it must take the panic test (normally)???

Another question. Can I shoot with cannon in the enemy unit engaged in HtH? It's a template, I think, so... ;) Of course, I target that part of this unit which not in base contact (ie actually fighting) with my troops.
And if this is correct, please give me the links to the rules\q&a\errata where I can find that to show to my surprised friends :)
(by the way - where I can get e-book of the last 6th edition rules?)

Some more, just not to create a new topic. About Rod of Power. I MUST roll the dice every magic phase (my and enemy), when some dices are stored in the Rod, or I just must roll before using them?

[buakjon]

No, you may not fire your cannon at units engaged in HTH. Only skaven may shoot into HTH. As for your Rod of Power question, you must roll for the dice you store in each magic phase.

[Fafnir]

"How many models can a great cannon hit
Before you can call it a day?"

"yes, n' how many ranks can a cannon ball hit,
Before they are all blown away?"

The next one speaks for itself...

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Sorry people, I just couldn't resist

[General Helstrom]

This is getting messy

Let me recap a few things here:

1) if I hit a unit with number of models in rank (5) more than the number of ranks (4) (hit from the side\flank) - anyway count 4 models hit?

When you hit a unit in the flank (ie. the cannon is in the target unit's flank arc), you count files (left to right) instead of ranks.


2) what about diagonal shoots and other tricks to increase the number of models hit?

No luck; the maximum number of models you can hit in a ranked unit is limited to the number of ranks or files in said unit, depending on whether you hit the unit from the front/rear or flank arc respectively.

To make it a bit more simple: In every rank (or file, when it's a flank shot) which is touched by the cannon's bounce trajectory, only one model will be hit, even if the bounce clips more than one model's base per rank (or file).


3) if not, how can I count number of ranks (do single or two models in the back count)?

This again depends on the trajectory; if you hit two or more models, each in different ranks (or files, for a flank shot), you get them. It doesn't matter how many models there are in a rank; the "4 makes a rank" rule only works for combat resolution.


4) or cannonball just hit ALL models that are on the trajectory?

No.


if I hit the RnF unit in the flank\rear - it must take the panic test (normally)

No! What the guys meant by "like a charge" refers only to working out the arc from which the shot is fired.


Can I shoot with cannon in the enemy unit engaged in HtH?

No; this rule is absolute and refers to all shooting. You can, however, accidentally hit a unit in HTH, at which point the rules for templates versus units in combat kick in. Intentionally creating such accidents is cheating.


where I can get e-book of the last 6th edition rules?

You can't: Apart from some Q&A sheets, GW does not publish its rulebooks, army books, annuals, chronicles, etc. in electronic format. If you do come across such a file, it is an illegal copy and we don't want anything to do with it.


I MUST roll the dice every magic phase (my and enemy), when some dices are stored in the Rod, or I just must roll before using them?
 
Every phase, sadly


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The answer, my friend,
Is blown to smithereens
The answer is blown to smithereens

[tixed]

Big tnx!
But some more (please forgive me!): where I can found Q&A and official rule changes?
And one more... May be, I have an old copy of the rulebook, there is indicated that Grapeshot uses fire template, but my friend say that there must be artillery dice. Because his rulebook is "newest".

[Gregourious]

From memory your friend is correct , in that you now roll the artillery dice to determine the number of hits. This leads to less discussion about who is hit and IMO is more in keeping with the canon grapeshot which would not hit everyone.

[Rorrak]

What you are looking for can be found here.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/chronicles/errata/1/

If you print at the 100% scale then you can physically cut and paste into your rule book. They are designed to fit in the same space.

Your friend is right about grape shot. Artilary Dice x ST4 hits.

[tixed]

Tnx! The question is closed.