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« on: March 07, 2005, 10:57:08 PM »
Kernschatten remarked about “things being a little slow” recently, and I think I agree – maybe we’re all waiting for the impending Ostermark campaign.
In the meantime let’s see if I can generate something a bit different.

Sunday was ‘Mother’s Day’ in the UK, and around 4.00pm, with duty done, Mother wined and dined, and returned to her home, my boys doing the washing up for their Mum, I retired to the games room, and pondered the empty table.
I’d seen a comment from Atch about “500 Orcs and Goblin models”, and eight hours later, at midnight, I was looking at a very full table.
I had emptied the cupboards and shelves and laid out my Empire ‘collection’, and started an inventory.

Do you say you have a “insert any state name” army, when you can field any size force, or when you can field ALL units from the Empire Army list, and thus have the variety of all options available?

I have the basis of 4/5 Empire armies:
My Kislev themed Empire List Army, with the contingent units.
An Altdorf army.
An Averland Army.
And a Cult of Ulric Army, which turns fairly easily into a Middenland Army

I said basis because I do not feel that I have one complete army.
I have painted some 550 empire figures, which laid out on the table, in their 4 army blocks, I think is quite a lot, BUT that’s about 60 % of my total, which means that 40% are unpainted.
Worse still I’ve got another 60 odd, on the ‘production line’, virtually modelled and close to undercoating.

I wonder if this is unusual?
There is a perversity about the hobby, that new models/army lists/themes appear all the time.
It may even be a conspiracy. “Average given time to construct 2000-2500 point army” versus “New Army list/theme/tweak” :wink:

As a naïve newbie I started with Altdorf then discovered I had too many of some core troops (eg. Halberdiers  :oops: ), and then thought I’ll have a second state – Averland. I liked the Averland theme better, so Altdorf went to the back of the project list, and I did a few Knights, then I discovered Kislev, of course, before the Averlanders were fully finished.

My Kislevites are probably the closest to a ‘complete’ army. I built initially with the fluff in mind, but then found I wanted/needed to play from the option of a full army list. So I needed crossbowmen and pistoliers, and then I probably need to add another unit of swordsmen (thanks guys).

Somewhere in between I got seduced by the ‘imagery’ of Warrior Priests, and then I was just too vulnerable to the Cult of Ulric, which is just to close to the Middenland list, not to just try a few more units to allow both.

Therein lies the problem.

When ‘New to the Empire’ members appear on the forums, what do we generally say. "Start slowly, play a few small games, get used to the troop types. Read the War Room articles – decide if you want to play Infantry or Cavalry or Balanced………….."

Well this ‘mug’  :roll: looks at the list and says I’ll make some of every unit, and then see what happens.
Then after 7 or 8 years, he finds WE.com and he finds that what he probably needs is another EIGHT big blocks of swordsmen for each of his 4 armies.

So I have done my inventory.
I have reviewed each army and decided what needs doing – the list is a LONG one.
An excess of handgunners and halberdiers will probably suffer amputation of their arms, and replacement by all those spare sword arms and shields.
I could paint 4 hours every night, and still not be finished by Christmas.

The only temporary respite I have given myself is based on the following thought process.

Look at the concept of a ‘state’ army.
State troops are Swordsmen/Halberdiers/Spearmen/Handgunners.

The rest of the foot core units which are referred to as ‘Militia’ could easily be modelled without any ‘state’ colours/reference.
Knights are an ‘Order’, and Greatswords are sufficient of an elite unit to be painted separately.
Pistoliers too, as ‘sons of nobles’ can maintain an air of individuality.

Thus my Militia 'units' and Knights and Pistoliers can 'double up'.

When it comes to war machines, I decided I would use an Altdorf style Red and Blue ( though different red and blue to my state troops) for all my artillery and claim they were ‘Engineers School’ seconded to the relevant state, except for my Kislevites where I use Bronzinov’s boys converted appropriately. Thus I have 3 Cannons, 2 Mortars, and I HBVG painted up.
[and 4, 4 and 2 NOT painted up, so I could do 2,2, and 1 each for Averland and Middenland (as a ‘state’ not SoC!]
[But what if I want 4 cannons in the same 2000pts army????]

Am I alone in my quandary? I know we have members who have played a lot longer than me, and my model count is probably tame in comparison to some of you 'collectors'.
 
Who can lay claim to the oldest model still not finished up.
Will I ever get to the end of my list?
Will this post ever end????????…………Yes.  :wink:
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2005, 11:37:10 PM »
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I think I could stake a good claim at this (for current army as I still have rouge trader marines and space crusade marines I'll never paint).

Around 10-11 years ago I purchased a unit of metal white wolves, to this day only one has ever recieved paint or been cleaned and assembled.

I am pretty terrible for flip flapping between armies and themes. Almost 2 years ago I intended to complete my Ostland army, since then I have purchased an entire chaos mortals force and painted a grand total of about 10 models for it. Now I'm on to ogres I'm really pushing myself to finish every model in the army.

For the mean time my Middenland soldiers have been filling the gaps in my Ostlanders lines.

I find that browsing ebay has cursed me to buy more "bargains" than I'll ever paint in my life time. It's a compulsive buying disorder for sure! :roll:

I have about 5 large warhammer armies and 2-3 smaller ones, none of which are completely painted in one theme and much of which isn't even painted at all.... :oops:  :cry:

Because the part of the hobby I enjoy the most is painting and modelling, I don't mind too much that none of my armies are completed in one theme since Empire is the only force I regularly use. I'm much more concerned with trying to make each model look as good as possible and it is probably this that is my downfall.

I don't imagine I'll ever really get to the end of my list of models to paint.
Does this bother me?
Hell no! I'll happily plug away at whatever takes my fancy as long as I can field an army where at least every model is painted (Empire), though not all in one colour scheme. Since I don't play in tournaments it's not as big an issue for me.

As Midaski said, will this post ever end?
Yes, but will it ever really end!
....Yes. :wink:

Cheers,

Dante

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2005, 11:43:18 PM »
Hmm, a very juicy topic to get into indeed!

I find myself facing something of a monster myself. Allow me to elaborate. Perhaps we can all share our experiences of mammoth projects - in mammoth posts, of course? :)

I have been playing Warhammer for, uh, seven years, I believe. Could be eight. Or nine. At any rate, 5th Edition was just new when I started. Enough about that.

It all began with a box of Halberdiers, the old uni-pose ones with the lion-face breastplate. They were blue and red on the box, and as I had the models some time before I had an Army Book, they were painted red and blue, flat colors, without eyes.

Over the years that followed I gradually built up a collection. I was young and making little money, but you didn't need that many models to have an army in 5th Ed, so I got by. It was my great fortune to not get stuck with the piles of unpainted, sometimes unpacked, models that I saw strewn about the cabinets of some wealthier fellow gamers. Every box and blister I bought was a pretty big investment and quite an adventure, so everything got painted.

Unfortunately, I also insisted upon having a strong paint scheme. The whole army had to fit together. While I would make exceptions for characters (who recieved the singular honour of eyesight, as well as the occasional highlight), all other troops were paited to the same standard as those ten Halberdiers that had come off a dusty shelf in the back of a toy store so many years ago.

Years have passed and the army has grown. Unfortunately, as my resources increased, my expenditure seems to have increased equally, and worse, my time has grown sparse. You start making good money, the kind of money that seems like billions when you're a kid, and all-of-a-sudden you and your friends discover the wonders of saturday nights and alcohol, and flush, there goes that. After some time you start making more money, and then you decide to move out of mom and dad's place, and you have to start paying rent for a crummy place of your own. Once you start making even more money, the first order of business is to abandon the crummy place and get a proper one instead. At the same time, you find yourself forced to spend your time on real-world banalities such as cooking, cleaning, studying...

All in all, what it comes down to is that I don't have the kind of gargantuan collections that many other veterans boast. I have one army, my proud Altdorfers, and that's it. After all these years - in which time there have been extended hiatuses - I am finally reaching the point where I can consider this army finished. It's not the 8,000 point monstrosity from which I can pick any kind of army at will, though. It probably totals some 3,500 points, which allows me to pick a 2,000 point infantry-based army at my leisure with plenty of alternative configurations.

And then I had a bright idea.

The paintjob on my army is horribly outdated. It is still the same as those old Halberdiers that are now on display cabinet duty. It looks OK, but they are painted as gaming pieces, not miniatures. I wanted something more. A simple one-stage highlight, eyes all around, and a completely new set of banners and shields as I discovered IF's wonderful decals.

Sooooo... I ordered up a big batch of stuff from GW to finally dot the i's and cross the t's. All the infantry blocks, formerly 20 strong, go up to 25. Each regiment gets its own FC detachment so I don't have to cannibalize my FC regiment. I wanted some 'nilla Knights, and some extra bits to make plastic Greatswords. While I was at it, I decided to exchange my metal Cannon for plastic ones as well, and to top it all off, I finally got myself a Helsblaster (that's right, I've played Empire for almost a decaed without a Helblaster ;)).

And now I'm going back to almost two hundred models to upgrade the paintjob, and I have about eighty more lying around in undercoats. It didn't seem like that much when I panned it! I thought it would be easy! I had even ordered up the core for a 40K Imperial Guard army (another fifty-odd models) expecting to be able to paint them in-between for variety. I have finally succumbed. I have heaps of unpainted stuff.

There is a silver lining. I have found that the upgrade gets easier with every batch I paint. I can do about ten models comfortably on a free evening. Theoretically, I should be able to do all the upgrades in under three weeks, so let's say the entire project might take about a month and a half. If I spend each evening at the painting table. Of course this won't happen, but it is a motivating thought.

I have so far done my regiment of Halberdiers (although they still need a new banner), and one of my Swordsmen regiments. The good news is, I'm extremely pleased with the way they're turning out. The models come to life with a few highlights and a set of eyes each, the decals give the army a wonderful iconography, the new command models are lovely, the larger regiments look nice and rugged. When I am done with this project, I'll finally have the Altdorf army I always wanted. I'll modify the foam trays of my army case to accomodate them sensibly, put the lid on modelling/painting Empire for quite some time to come, and see if I can finally bag me some decent painting scores at the local tourneys!

After that, of course, it's on to those fifty-odd Guardsmen - with about sixty more to follow to push the army to a useful 1,500 points format.

Probably followed by another few dozen to give me some flexibility.

Good God.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2005, 12:04:05 AM »
When I started playing in the mid-1990's I bought one fig at a time and was in school, so everything got painted.  Then I started painting and started stripping and repainting.  Then I started buying more stuff...

Then, of course, it started getting worse.  I've started streamlining, though - sold of a whole unpainted TK army to a buddy.  Shelved my tiny dwarves for the very distant rainy day.  And am slowly plodding though upgrading and repainting my Empire.  

Then, again, I'm trying to paint for fun and for some nice gaming pieces, not to win a Slayer Sword.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2005, 12:53:10 AM »
I've recently instituted a buying moratorium for myself.  I don't have any units painted in their entirety, so until I do, I'm not buying anything else.  I'm relatively new to the hobby, though, been at it maybe 1.5 years.  I'm getting close to finishing my first unit, some Knights of the Blazing Sun.  Once that's done, I'll do another two or three units, in their entirety, before I buy anything else.
   The fact of the matter is, I don't need much else - I have almost everything I need.  I might do another militia box later on (because you can't have too many Free Company!), and I'd like to get some Flagellants someday.  But I have pretty much everything else in the Empire list that I'll ever want to use.  So now it's time to get some stuff painted.
   BTW, hopefully I'll get my KotBS finished in the next few weeks, and I'll post some pics when I do (if I can figure out how) - I'm looking for feedback pretty soon.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2005, 02:23:41 AM »
It is my firm belief that it is a myth that a gamer/hobbyist can ever truly 'finish' an army.

Like so many others I first got into GW when Rogue Trader was new and shiny (and hard-backed). My first models were the plastic guardsmen, parts of which can still be found at the very bottom of my bitz box. My painting standards have always been low (I consider myself to be a gamer first and painter joint 15th), but these guardsmen really were something to be ashamed of. Dobbs of black obscuring the carapace and boltgun metal smeared over the lasguns. Worst of all that was it! They never did (intentionally) get paint on their fatigues or flock on their bases. Is the fact that I was only 15 a good enough excuse? Even in those lazy days of youth I was unable to find the time or perseverance to produce a ‘three-colour-minimum’ army.

Time moved on and so did I. Soon after my first student loan arrived, I was squandering some of it on Space Wolves. The rest I squander on beer and ladies so it came as no surprise that they never made it to the gaming table (neither the space pups nor the ladies). I vaguely remember giving the lot away soon after I joined the army, thinking, “Why do I need toy soldiers, when I am playing the real thing?”

It was not until 1999 that I got back into the hobby. It was cheaper than going out drinking and less likely to upset my girl-friend (now wife). More Space Marine followed; easy to paint and easy to play. Or should I say easy to buy and easy to play, as I did precious little painting. There was always a new tank or hero every time I wonder into the shop and my mind was resplendent with ideas of how it could be incorporated into my burgeoning army. It was only the desire to participate in tournaments that forced me to complete 1500 point of Blood Angels and that still left hundreds of models unpainted. Such is the curse of compulsive buying.

I swapped my collection of MtG cards for a couple of thousand points of Wood Elves. This was to be my new big project. These pointy eared guys would get the attention that of my previous armies had lacked. Here was not only a chance to learn how to play ‘the grown up version of 40K’ (how naive was I?), but also I had a new collection of models that I would not need to buy any more of and I could just concentrate on painting. Well that was the plan.

Veteran players will no doubt realise the Woodies are not quite as durable or forgiving as the Adeptus Astartes and repeated early defeats left me cold for both WFB and the overawing task of completing so many models. Anyway, there was a new and easy to paint race being released: The Necrons.

I think you can all see the pattern emerging here. After the Necrons I want back to my roots in the form of Cadians and at the start of 2003 I had four armies of between 2500 and 4500 points each. None of which were more than 40% painted. It was time to break the cycle. It was time to settle down and ‘finish’ one army. Now, which one?

Well of course it makes perfect scene that the best way to finish a complete army would be by starting a new one. I had just arrived in Afghanistan and I had plenty of time during the night radio shift with which to paint. All my models and paints were in the UK so I would have to start form scratch anyway. I felt it was time to revisit WFB and lay to rest the ghost of my previous abortive attempt to learn this system. Where could I find lots of information and advice on WFB? Where could I find a large group of games to learn from? Thank god for the internet, thank Sigmar for www.warhammer-empire.com

My original idea was to follow the ‘path to glory’ or ‘tale of four gamers’ idea of only spending a set amount each month and ensuring that I completed the previous months models before shelling out for any more. This did have some success in that by the time I finished my tour in the ‘Stan I now had a 40% finished army. This by my previous abysmal failures was something to celebrate. Celebrate I did, by buying just a couple more models…

Now that I am back on tour and I have sent myself the task of finishing a 2000 point army to take to this summers GT. I have been in Iraq for two months and have 1350 points complete. So, I’m almost on target. Even if I succeed in being ready for the GT Heats I still want to invest in another large block of swordsmen, a HVG, maybe a Stank (just so that I can speak with authority about how unbalanced they are :twisted: ) and the list goes on.

Will I ever truly finish my Empire army? Of course not. As long as I am enjoying playing with them and trying out new ideas, I will still desire to purchase new figures. When the day finally comes that there is another army that becomes my ‘main effort’, I will move on to that and the half finished (and often half baked) ideas will be left in that state until I return to the Empire – with a whole new list to buy, build, paint and play.

This is my hobby and while I hope the process becomes less wasteful, I have no desire to see it end. Speaking of things ending, it is about time I finish this post as these Knights Panther are not going to paint themselves.

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2005, 03:41:38 AM »
This thread caught my eye today.  With that in mind, I just wanted to see what I had in painted Empire models.  It scares me to think of how many unpainted Empire models I still have.  I think I said in a prior thread that my "Defenders of Middenland" army was the last Empire army I was going to paint.  I still have a few units to fill but those could be done in a short amount of time.  

So....I decided to have a PARADE!!! I opened all of my Empire storage boxes and pulled out all the trays and stuff I had stashed all over.  I was going to take some pictures but my digital camera gave up the ghost :(  

The net results of my inventory were:

Shooting models (archers, crossbowmen, handgunners, huntsmen, and my old Empire Halfling Archers):  163

Where would an Empire army be without strong regiments of Infantry?  I don't know how many painted units I have but the total of my infantry was:  443 painted models

Since I really like cavalry, I have quite a few :oops: I almost gave myself a hernia picking their boxes up.  The total cavalry models count was:  120, with an additional 16 hunting hounds

My old army days made me love the bang of big guns.  In addition to my two Steamtanks, I have 11 painted artillery pieces all with complete crews.  

In large flying models, I found two Pegasus riders (and two more unpainted) and a painted Griffon, so three total

In mounted and foot characters, plus magic users, I didn't count them, but the estimate is around 25.  

So with my wife fuming with because I've been goofing off for about two hours the final count was approximately:  811!  

The sad thing is I think I have enough upainted models to break the 1,000 mark with ease.   :oops:
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2005, 04:14:37 AM »
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Who can lay claim to the oldest model still not finished up.


I think I could stake a good claim at this (for current army as I still have rouge trader marines and space crusade marines I'll never paint).

I have some RT Era Marines still in their blisters and a dozen of the original plastic Imperial Marines still on the sprue. (I sold another ten on eBay recently for a decent sum of money). :-D Probably close to 4,000 points of Mk 6 Beakies and another 1,500 points of 2nd Edition Marines. As I mentioned in another post I stripped them all down but have yet to repaint them. I sold off all of my IG to help finance my WHFB efforts. I also sold off a bunch of old Citadel catalogs and Codexes.

I too am addicted to great eBay bargains. I've accumulated around 5,000 points each of Empire and O&G and another 3,000 points each of HE and last edition Brets. The HE I bought as a lot and were too good a deal to pass up (about 7 cents per point) and came with two GW cases on top of everything else. It's sad really.

Will I paint everything? Probably not. Between work, raising two kids, and my other hobbies (the bass will be biting soon and I have a 1989 Mustang GT partially disassembled) I have very little time. There are boxes piled up all over and I need to get rid of some of it. So I will be selling much of it on eBay.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2005, 06:34:51 AM »
Since I've only started playing when 6th Edition just attented and my wallet doesn't allow me to buy a whole core army at once (eg...16..ya know... :roll: ), I only have 180 Empire models, which I however all can use for a decent 2000 pts list. However, the models do not allow me to use any much variety in it.

I've recently started on a new army, Dark Elves, but since I've played a game or two last weeks and been visiting the forum reguraly after an absence of quite some months, I feel the Empire is claiming more and more of my interest, I'm thinking about doing some extra knights, cause I've been using some really crappy White Wholves. But then again, I only have 6 painted DE models...

This on'll be short..no mammoth post, school and breakfast await..  :wink:

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2005, 01:02:42 PM »
You're speaking my language Biggs!!!  I also sold all my Magic cards but I got an entire Dark Elf army!!

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It is my firm belief that it is a myth that a gamer/hobbyist can ever truly 'finish' an army.


Ain't it the truth!!

I started back trail end of 4th ed...at the ripe and tender age of 11.  If you count all the models I've had over the years (including my HeroQuest inspired Undead army) I've probably have close to 2500 models go through my hands  :shock:

At any one time I was the proud owner of:
- 2000 points of Undead
- 2000 points of High Elves
- 2500 points of Dark Elves
- 3500 points of Chaos
- 500 points of Dwarfs
- 4000 points of O&G
- 2000 points of Chaos Dwarfs

On top of that I currently own:
- 300 points of O&G (plus 3 giants...2 in my bitz box)
- 4000 points in Lizards both old and new ed minis
- 5000 points in Empire
- 1000 points in Kislev

I have to say, out of all that, I painted NOTHING.  It was either unpainted or I had bought it painted.  When I finally decided, "Hey, I want to actually try to paint an army of my own!!" I figured the same thing as my apparent "twin thinker" Biggs, just start a new army and paint that!!!!

So I painted the same way as the good General Helstrum and slap a few coats and gave my characters eyes.  At this point I'm doing the same thing, I'm repainting all my models to better standards.  My infantry are now getting checkerboard style paint jobs - inspired by TVI.  I've been Empire all the way since I've found this site and am thinking about relieving myself of my Lizardmen and the Gobbos I only got to go with my Chaos Dwarf Army.

If you want to talk about painted and unpainted minis in your empire armies, I'd say that the total number of models I have ready to paint are:

EC w/Griffon
15 Free Company
Cannon
Helblaster
21 Greatswords
24 Flaggies
50+ Handgunners
15 Archers
15 odd characters

And what I do have painted:
2 Pegasi
2 foot mages
2 mounted mages
3 mounted characters
2 foot characters
60 Swordsmen
30 Spearmen
40 Free Company
5 Archers
40 Knights
4 Artillery pieces
Tank

I definitly don't have the collections you 'old guys' have mainly due to student income, but I'm surprised at what I actually have painted.  And like Atch, I have NO idea how many other models I have sitting in my bitz box or misc whole models bin.  And to tell you something about my bitz
box...I found a whole Griffon in there the other day...
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2005, 02:32:52 PM »
I don't actually have a bits box, I have too much stuff. Instead I have about 12 boxes full of parts. As for total number of models own, I really wouldn't like to try and guess, suffice to say it fills almost an entire wardrobe and a large storage box (about the size of a chest of drawers!).

I am in absolute agreement with Biggs and Clarkarias that an army is never finished. Buying models for an army (an other armies you plan on starting.....one day!) is a condition which many in this hobby suffer from.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2005, 02:48:10 PM »
Having suffered a simular fate as the brethren above, I have 5k+ of eldar, all painted but I no longer play 40k, just can't seem to get around to selling it off. (I only have one warlock to finish painting and I will have "finished" all my eldar models)

However for WHFB;
 I still have 7k of HE painted with about another 1k still in blisters/boxes.

I have over 12k of painted empire minis. 21 heros on foot, 9 mounted heros (including Karl Franz) 32 calvary, 6 cannon mortars (mine are interchangable) 1 hellblaster, 1 steam tank, and 378 infantry of all types. Plus an estimated 5k of unpainted.  I still have a HUGE box (the kind that boxed armies came in) full of unassembled and un painted empire minis.  If memory serves right, there are two boxes of militia, three boxes of troops, a box of knights, lots of sprues of handgunners and spearmen, I threw in my old battlemaster models too.

I have 10k of skaven in two armies, one "regular" and an Eshin army.  I only have about three blisters of plague monks and one warp cannon to finish the rats.

Then to add hideousness onto it, I have started playing LOTR.  I have 70 painted uric hai, 24 painted elves, 36 painted riders of Rohan and 20 on foot also painted, and a mounted and foot model of all the applicable heros. (Theoden, Eowyn, Eomer, Gamling) I have just purchased an Mumack and 36 haradim, that are primed, and have 24 orcs that are 50% painted.

For the oldest model competition, I have a unit of 15 battlemaster halbadiers, unbased and un painted.  I estimate from the early to mid eighties. (1985?) My CRS is kicking in so I cannot remember exactly. Do I win a prize?

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For the oldest model competition, I have a unit of 15 battlemaster halbadiers, unbased and un painted. I estimate from the early to mid eighties. (1985?) My CRS is kicking in so I cannot remember exactly. Do I win a prize?


Did battle masters not come out after space crusade? The old Milton Bradley/GW combo games were certainly around in 1988-92 as it was some time between then that I got space crusade and I'm pretty sure battle masters was out about this time too.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2005, 03:29:07 PM »
I have the original hero quest, but I"m assuming that I'll automattically lose the oldest model competition because most of you gents have models older than I am!!

And Skeetergod, I've started LOTR too.  I have about 600 points of Gondorians (Unpainted) and the Mordor Orcs from the ROTK box set still on the sprues.

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2005, 04:24:35 PM »
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Did battle masters not come out after space crusade? The old Milton Bradley/GW combo games were certainly around in 1988-92 as it was some time between then that I got space crusade and I'm pretty sure battle masters was out about this time too.
We never saw Space Crusade here in the US, but if I remember correctly Heroquest came out in 1990 and Space Crusade shortly afterwards. Much whining and complaining here in the US over the whole matter.
Battlemasters was released in 1992. It was previewed in WD156.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2005, 05:28:42 PM »
This articles really warmed my heart - ooh look I am no the only with such a kind of symptom.

My first battle was under the 3rd edition and it was edition where no army lists were present at all. Simply, you picked model or item form rulebook which suit to your idea and strategy, paid it in points and you had it.

From current point of view (6the edition) it was "strange army": ballista, dwarves, some human infantry, heroes and wizards with full range of different magic items, riderless monsters etc. Opponents were similar.
If I have some pictures with battles from that period I am sure that very few people can recognize what armies fought actually.
What is strange is that even then we made complaints how models form GW are too expensive - and they were quarter of the current price  :(

4th edition came very soon and first army lists were published. Armies start to look like real armies.
Unfortunately it was a period of epic heroes, powerful magic and magic items.
Empire, as a first army in this edition, was not so strong so frequently the battles against Undead looked like this: kill the undead general with cannon or otherwise Undead heroes will slain all models you have.
They were so powerful that in a classic combat Empire had no chance at all.
There was also that unfortunate rule "flying high". Simply who got first turn made his flyers "flying high" and in next turn they could charge at every part of the table even at enemy's flyers which also "flied high".

Also, in Belgrade there was just 3 serious players (including me) which had painted army with proper models (without provisional replacements like "kinder egg will present my chariots with 2 heroes and wolves, and this Lego model will be my wizard")

It was period I was very disappointed with system playability, battles were very boring.
I abandon the whole hobby and I almost sold all my empire collection.

The period of abstinence from WH lasts up to the 6th edition when I heard that a new rules are much better than anything before. Also WH community in Belgrade raised in numbers a lot, meanwhile.

I tried the 6ed system against new, fresh opponents and I was really satisfied with game system itself, army lists, heroes and wizards influence at the battle outcome, detachment rules, etc.

This 6ed is far more better than anything before and i hope that 7ed, one day, will be better than 6ed.

During this period of 12 years I was changing a lot of times a physiognomy of my army according to the rules. So, some units are too strong or too weak for 6ed rules. Almost 90% of the army is made by old, metal models. I do not have any cavalry model from plastic boxed sets.

I painted them in all the colors of the Empire because I liked to have one Joint Force Empire Army.

Now my Empire army looks like this:

30 Spearmen
25 Spearmen
30 Halberdiers
25 Halberdiers
30 Swordsmen
12 Swordsmen (detachment)
10 Archers
10 handgunners
10 Handgunners
20 Crossbowmen
20 Crossbowmen
20 Free companies (mostly used as detachments)

12 White Wolves
10 Knight Panthers
10 Reischguards
15 Blazing Suns
10 Knights (in the 4th edition it was Griffon Order Knights)

4 Great cannons
2 Mortars
10 Pistoliers
10 Pistoliers
25 Greatswords (Reichguards on foot in 4th edition)

3 Steam Tanks
3 Hellblasters
25 Flagellants
1 War Wagon (can not be used in the 6th edition)

10 Gryphon legion
10 Winged lancers
10 Ungol Horse Archers
10 Ungol Horse Archers

Beside this bulk troops i have all named characters (Karl Franz, Theogonist, ECs) and dozen of no named character models.

I would like really to play one huge battle, one day, putting all this models on the tabletop.

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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2005, 06:44:06 PM »
It seems I am not alone.

It also seems that there are ‘buyers [or hoarders :wink: ]’ and ‘sellers’.
I have never sold a mini, and only very rarely swapped.

I admit to a grudging admiration when occasionally in the Market Place you can see someone selling off an army, or models, to fund a new one, and I can see the logic and sense of it.
However my addiction to the hobby allows no consideration of logic or sense.

No doubt the age I came to the hobby and the associated earning power [or credit card in other words :wink: ] helps, but I have great difficulty resisting an opportunity to buy. Whereas in the purchases of ‘normal’ life, I like to think I am quite astute, when it comes to minis - just reel this sucker in.

My first purchase was the Ed.5 Brets and Lizardmen starter box, so I’ve always had those starter models.
My first painting was about 35 plastic Knights of the Realm.
Then with my boys running DE and Chaos, I decided I was going to wear the White Hat with Empire, and so bought regiment boxes, and was away.

The temptations would surface though with surfing the small ads. I would find someone selling Warhammer, and they quite often would have models for any of our three main armies, but there were always a few other bits. Well what do you do when faced with a few (?) Brets or Lizzies going cheap, especially when you could haggle a better price for quantity bought.

“It was a bargain – They’ll go with the models we’ve already got - One day I’ll sort that army out” - and so the collection grows.
I suppose I would call it advance purchasing, and you never want to miss a ‘bargain’ opportunity.

From the above acquisition method, and the odd uninformed present, youngest son had a few beastmen, but was really only keen on mortal chaos, so we had developed a ‘beastmen box’ too.
Eldest lad went on to Undead, which then split to VC and TK with the advent of Ed.6, and then new models and the spiral was off again.
I had acquired a few Dwarfs in ‘deals’, and then got a bargain of quite a few more.
When there were ‘new’ army book releases, I bought the books, then reviewed the army lists, and of course had to buy a few models.
Beastmen for example was probably the cheapest of the lot – one box of plastic Gors and Ungors, and then quite a lot of converting of the older models with sprue spares and new rulebook compliance.
The same happened with Lizardmen (I’ve converted 50 odd skinks with bows to spears or blowpipes, and I’ve still got 105 of the silly bows models left, well maybe one day I'll run a Southlands list  :lol:  - and Dwarfs has been just the same, with probably 3 boxes of plastics, and even some metal models.

So the only things not really present are WE, HE and I’ve resisted all the new stuff on OK, which does mean there are a few rats around. Youngest dabbles with Mordheim Skaven, and there has been the odd bargain acquired, and one plastic box.

Rough totals:
[Aside – I cannot be doing it by points – it varies so much – my dwarfs could be 3000 or about 5500pts depending on all the tooling up on characters etc. As we're talking about collecting/modelling/painting, we need numbers  :wink: ]

Dwarfs:
235 troopers, 9 War Machines, + 10 Characters [oh and an Anvil and a Hewer still in the boxes]
Beastmen:
38 Ungors, 72 Gors, 3 Dragon Ogres, 7 Minotaurs, 3 Chariots, + 5 Characters
Lizardmen:
175 Skinks, 90 Saurus, 5 Krox, 4 Terradons, 2 Salamanders, I Stegadon and a Slann

Most of the Lizzies are painted, the rest are only modelled and undercoated.


Brets:
87 Cavalry, 169 Infantry + New still in Boxes – Battalion, all 3 types of Knights, and a Trebuchet.

And I must not forget the RoR still in the loft in their boxes. Several of those boxes have been ‘enhanced’ with deblistered models!

No bits box in our house – it’s several of those handyman ‘compartment’ cases with all the drawers carefully arranged with all ‘bits’ duly sorted, and of course there are a couple(?) of shelves with unopened boxes and blisters ‘awaiting’ action.

We seem to be proving that:
there is never a “finished army”,
lots of us are ‘obsessive collectors/hoarders’,
and bcorac has opened up that other ‘dream’ I too share - of the MASSIVE battle.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2005, 07:09:51 PM »
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It also seems that there are ‘buyers [or hoarders  ]’ and ‘sellers’.
I have never sold a mini, and only very rarely swapped.

I admit to a grudging admiration when occasionally in the Market Place you can see someone selling off an army, or models, to fund a new one, and I can see the logic and sense of it.
However my addiction to the hobby allows no consideration of logic or sense.


You've described me down to a tee there!
I have yet to sell a model. However, the time has finally come to give in and rid myself of some of those models that will never be used (Chaos dwarves and DE). I've also recently considered painting some models purely for sale on ebay as there seems to be good money to be made.

As for the big battle, it looks great but can get very boring moving all the models (especially if you dont have very big movement trays for all those very big units!). I've played 2 in my time with 3 on each side and about 10,000pts a side, suffice to say it takes almost an entire day to resolve and requires a LARGE table to play on!

Live the dream! :wink:

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2005, 10:09:38 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2005, 10:13:01 PM »
Holy Crapp Atch!!!!

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2005, 10:17:15 PM »
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That freaking large army...





 :? ....but.... :shock:

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2005, 10:18:51 PM »
Yup you people just remember that sight. It's the kind of view you can expect coming into Ostermark from the south.

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2005, 10:36:47 PM »
When I grow up I want to be just as cool as Atch :-D

@Rik: Ostermark, y'mean ;)
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2005, 10:39:13 PM »
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Since I really like cavalry, I have quite a few :oops: I almost gave myself a hernia picking their boxes up.  The total cavalry models count was:  120,

I only count 119 in the pic. :shock: :lol:
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2005, 10:42:28 PM »
"Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when he stumbles, do no let your heart rejoice"