Topic: Minimun 3 units

[Samuel Bishop]

What counts a unit?

The other day i was having a 2 v 2 game (1k each) and was wondering this.

A war machine? A detachment? Or only r'n'f units?

Samuel

[The Peacemaker]

any kind of stand alone unit. - that is moved separately, charged separately, and such.

Not sure if heroe's and lords count. I know they will count if they are on a monster. 

[TheBelgianGuy]

any kind of stand alone unit. - that is moved separately, charged separately, and such.

Not sure if heroe's and lords count. I know they will count if they are on a monster.

I'm thinking heros and lords don't count?
I'm just wondering now whether detachments count. They don't according to Army Builder, but I'm to lazy to check our book.

[Lord Solar Plexus]

Characters are generally units of their own but do not count towards the number of minimum units needed for a legal list. Detachments do.

[The Peacemaker]

I'm pretty sure detatchments count. They can be targeted, they take their own tests, etc...

[Darknight]

So that army of 10 archers and two detachements of 5 archers and a Warrior Priest is totally legal . . .

[The Peacemaker]

So that army of 10 archers and two detachements of 5 archers and a Warrior Priest is totally legal . . .

Why wouldn't it be? Doesn't sound strange to me at all.  If your playing a 205pt game then what else would you take?

[Thirsty Beaver]

p.30 in the AB:

"make sure your opponent is aware of which units  in your army are regimental units, and which are detachments"

This would suggest a parent unit with detachments is not a single unit like I have always treated it (due to victory point and deployment rules). There is a regimental unit (1), and up to two other units as detachments (2, & 3). Separate yet together

[The Ol Perfesser]

I would agree that detachments are now separate units.  I don't have my army book with me right now...it used to be that detachments had to be deployed at the same time as their parent unit.
I think that still holds true.

So, if your army consisted of a parent unit with two detachments & your leaders, you would just have two drops.  Correct?

First you place the parent and its detachments, then you add your leaders.....Done.

[rothgar13]

All true, yes.

[Delthos]

On page 134 of the mini rule book, under The General, it says "An army must always include at least one Lord or Hero to be its General." Then under Minimum Three Units it says, "An army must always include at least three units in addition to any Lords and Heroes." So that means Heroes and Lords do not count towards the minimum. It pretty much makes it impossible to play below a certain points level, unless you ignore those minimums.

[Lord Solar Plexus]

This would suggest a parent unit with detachments is not a single unit like I have always treated it (due to victory point and deployment rules).

VP rules have nothing to do with it and have never indicated that two units were one.

[Thirsty Beaver]

This would suggest a parent unit with detachments is not a single unit like I have always treated it (due to victory point and deployment rules).

VP rules have nothing to do with it and have never indicated that two units were one.

In learning to play with detachments, I used to think of them as a unit upgrade like FC or shields. I now understand that VP does not make 2 units 1. Thank you..