Topic: The Orks are Bestest!

[Nicholas Bies]

So I got a 20% discount at the shop thanks to my participation in the tourney

We're starting this massive Sector based 40k Campaign with lots of star systems and things and nearly all my friends are playing so I decided I should join in which as I don't have a 40k Army would be a slightly difficult thing.

So today I used my discount to pick up:

2x Battalion Boxes
1x Battlewagon
1x Burna/lootas box
1x Grazkul Thrakka (sp).

So I've got
40 Ork boyz,
5 burnas (going to try and use the lootas bits to make 5 boyz into lootaz)
2 Trucks
1 Battle wagon
6 bikerz
1 mega armoured warboss.

A decent beginnings to my army I believe. I've gone through the Ork Codex and I think I've got a bit of a strat I'm going to try which is to used Grazkhull as a SC so I get the 2 turn WAAAGH and auto 6" fleet movement.

Combined with red paint job thats 13" +2 + 6 + 6 for a whopping 23" charge seems bloody nasty. Especially when the boss has 7 str10 attacks and with my burnas having 3 powerweapon attacks as well, str4 on the charge. I feel they're going to cause some serious hurt.

I think I'll make the bikerz Nobz as well. Anyway any advice/tips etc. because as I've said this is all just book reading yet to play or see orks played.

[Mathi Alfblut]

Sounds badass!

Make two loads of Trukk boys and a large mob of Shoota boys riding da Wagon with the Warboss.

[Nicholas Bies]

Sounds badass!

Make two loads of Trukk boys and a large mob of Shoota boys riding da Wagon with the Warboss.

I was thinking Burna boyz plus warboss on a truck
12 boyz on truck with nob with pc
rest of the boys on wagon with nob with pc
5 lootas offering ranged support with their BS2
6 nob bikers covering the trucks,

[McKnight]

You can't disembark when driving more then 12" .. .ever! Except for special rules like the valkyries and storm ravens. So you can only drive 12" and then disembark, even though you have red paint


Now tell us something about the campaign

[Nicholas Bies]

umm red paint specifically states it can move 13" but counts only as moving 12" for all purposes.

so it's 13" 2" disembark, 6" fleet, 6" charge.

[McKnight]

My ork player has cheated himself! 
Carry on them

[Nicholas Bies]

My ork player has cheated himself! 
Carry on them

Sorry for my douchy tone above. Didn't mean it honest!

[phillyt]

Burnas are not as good in HtH as they look.  They will do much  MUCH more damage by flaming things from inside their trukk.  In HtH, their AS6 and T4 do them no favors when combined with their I3 (on a charge).  Normal ork boyz will pummel most things for you about as hard as the burnas.  Against high AS models, you will normally be looking at alot of dead burnas before you get any attacks back.  But still, they are versitile and awesome.

Phil

[Nicholas Bies]

but a unit of 10 plus warboss i should be able to take a few casualties and then hit back relatively hard.

I had this conversation about Ork Truck Boyz and how 12 is a small number I'm lookng at 4-5 dead before I attack. Then I remembered I'd have about 20 odd attacks back!

[Mathi Alfblut]

Indeed, 10 with a warboss sounds like potential mayhem.

Anyway, you are aware of the fact that Burnaz and Warbosses lacks transport options. Hence it would be better to have them ride in the Battlewagon, enjoying some drive-by-burning that I have heard Philly loves very much.

This means you can support them with you load of Trukkboyz while your large unit of boyz move forward on foot, blasting away with shootas and big shootas.

[Cannonofdoom]

Our big bad Ork player runs burnas by themselves and leaves them in their wagon. He drives it around and templates things. He once got 93 hits on a single unit!

Of course, he wins a lot of tournaments here, and busts skulls at the 'Ardboyz tourneys too.

[Nicholas Bies]

10 in wagon ? I'm rusty on the new(er) vehicle rules having not really played since 3rd ed. Can the templates be fired after the tank has moved 6"

[phillyt]

No, but you need to start thinking of the burnas as flamer carriers and not power weapon weilders.  They will almost always do more flaming than swinging.  A warboss in a unit of trukk boyz will do about as well as a unit of burnas with the warboss.  The trukk boyz have the added bonus of having a PK weilding Nob who cannot be picked out.  Unlike the Warboss...

Phil

[Nicholas Bies]

OK here are two lists I've made. 1 is with the models I currently have and 1 would be for the 1500pt list (which will only take 2 more boxes, 1 truck an 1 burna/lootas). Tell me what you think.

Ghazghkull Thraka   225

Nobz - x6 Bikerz, all with big choppas, 1 painboy with grot orderly   335
Burna Boyz x5    75
Lootas x5    75

Ork Boyz   x10, nobz w powerclaw   95
Trukk   redpaint, grot rigger, armour plates   55
Ork Boyz   x12, nobz w powerclaw   107
Trukk   redpaint, grot rigger, armour plates   55
Ork Boyz   x13, nobz w powerclaw, ard' armour   165
      

Battlewagon   red paint job, wrekin ball, grot riggers, armour plates,    140
   4 big shooters   

Total: 1327

Ghazghkull Thraka - 225

Nobz - x6 Bikerz, 4x with big choppas, 2xpowerclaw 1 painboy with grot orderly   370
Burna Boyz x10    150
Lootas - x10    150

Ork Boyz   x11, nobz w powerclaw   101
Trukk   redpaint, grot rigger, armour plates   55
Ork Boyz   x11, nobz w powerclaw   101
Trukk   redpaint, grot rigger, armour plates   55
Ork Boyz   x10, nobz w powerclaw   95
Trukk   redpaint, grot rigger, armour plates   55

Battlewagon   red paint job, wrekin ball, grot riggers, armour plates,    140
   4 big shooters   

   total   1497

[McKnight]

I dont know...

Trukks are sooo vulnerable in my mind.
Aldaris posted an IG platoon for 380pts or something which had 5 infantry squads, each with an autocannon and a grenade launcher.
Now the grenade launcher only has a range of 24" so thats not a big threat. But the 10 autocannon shots per turn from just those units are!

An extra battle wagon might be good, but i dont know much about orksies.

[Mathi Alfblut]

It´s all about zee trukkz! Orkz are no pansies like ummies. Ork vehicles don´t have plates and dagz and stuff to be protecty, NO! It is there tae make em more urty zee?
A Battulwagon az lotsa amour to da front cause it makes it more urty! That it makes em ard is just a bonus! A trukk is dere ta get em ladz stukk in fast. Not fer em tae hide in, yer silly ommie!
An if it gets a bit broken, da ladz kan fix it up afta da fight, zee! 

[phillyt]

Trukks are a must.  If they are wasting shots on the trukks, they aren't shooting the other models.  The good thing about the trukk is it is open topped which means it is easy for the orks to escape should they need too.

Also, I doubt you will want to go through the trouble and expense of trying to make a unit of Biker nobz.  The body size for the Nob is significantly larger than normal bikers.


Phil

[Generalisimo]

Nob Bikers are one of my favourite units in the game. So nasty..... I play Orks 5 years now and in my experiance: Invenerable save for Nob Bikers (a must if you fight marines, also usefull in other cases os HtH),   Burna boyz suck (only five of them die as easily as ordinary boyz)  I suggest you to take 10 lootas instead , they can harm even a deamon prince or a ctan ,light vehicles from afar, or other nasty things . YOU NEED NOBZ with painboy , decent ork lists  including Ghazckull  have nobz in the Battlewagon, Ghazck will have also feel no pain!!!  Even if I have goff clan I have stoped using ghazckull, I learned too win without him, but remember you can activate his waagh even in your oppomnents turn (not the 1 of the game though) if he does something nasty yougive all your squads fearless and Ghazckull 2+inv.

If you want something competitive : drop the burnas for more lootas, if you have the points (and money) take 5-8 Nobz and stick them with Ghazckull in the Battlewagon. If you can t take Nobz , then join Ghazckull to a 18 strong ard shoota mob and in the wagon.
  Trukks are cool, but are also easy kill points and usually if they expode the orks will be shoot to death (unles you are ultra lucky) or get beaten in combat. Good units for trukks are : 5-9 tankbustas with 2 hammers and nob with claw, 3-4 meganobz (these are for tank hunting and meganobz can harm infantry without power weapons too). 5 Nobz with 1-2 claws and combi scorchas and big choopas. Or 10-12 burnas for maximum burning without leaving the vechicle.

You want your trukks to cause fear to your enemy and make them a priority target to him, if he doesn t kill the tank bustas his Land raider is doom. So he can open fire to them(always full speed on your first turn) so the battle wagon can go and kill stuff, this way you protect also your Nob bikers.  Try to move your trukks as menacing as you can.

Remember ,no matter how cool orks are in combat if you assault the wrong enemy (eg Deciver) you will get into a trap or get assaulted by other strong assault units as: Space wolves Terminators with prist and lord, Black templar terminators, tyranid lord with retinue, A big bad dreadnought (inta kill on nobz and warboss, watch out and get it in combat with boyz). These are some examples of strong cc units that can harm even ghazckull .

Good luck and let the WAAAGH consume your enemies 

[Nicholas Bies]

hmm wow a lot to think about.

[Obi]

Burnas are not as good in HtH as they look.  They will do much  MUCH more damage by flaming things from inside their trukk.  In HtH, their AS6 and T4 do them no favors when combined with their I3 (on a charge).  Normal ork boyz will pummel most things for you about as hard as the burnas.  Against high AS models, you will normally be looking at alot of dead burnas before you get any attacks back.  But still, they are versitile and awesome.

Phil

No, but you need to start thinking of the burnas as flamer carriers and not power weapon weilders.  They will almost always do more flaming than swinging.  A warboss in a unit of trukk boyz will do about as well as a unit of burnas with the warboss.  The trukk boyz have the added bonus of having a PK weilding Nob who cannot be picked out.  Unlike the Warboss...

Phil

Trukks are a must.  If they are wasting shots on the trukks, they aren't shooting the other models.  The good thing about the trukk is it is open topped which means it is easy for the orks to escape should they need too.

Also, I doubt you will want to go through the trouble and expense of trying to make a unit of Biker nobz.  The body size for the Nob is significantly larger than normal bikers.


Phil

It's true... You really should use the spellchecker more often.

[phillyt]

Shut up Auke!

As for burnas, they are amazing when in a vehicle.  They will swallow almost anything.  Also, Nob bikers are great, but again, making the models can get very expensive very fast.  I like mine in a battlewagon with a KFF anyway.

Phil

[Nicholas Bies]

Well I wasn't planning on having any other bikers so was just going to use the regular ones anyway.

My main issue is how do I get powerclaws, to my lack of knowledge there aren't any in the boxes which means blister models (are their blister models) or conversions of some description.

[Mathi Alfblut]

In each ork boyz box, you also get a Nob on top of the 10 boyz. He gets a powerclaw or a Uge Choppa. 

[Generalisimo]

If you want to do a decent conversion you should also get some bigger bodies for Nob bikers, because regural orks are really smaller than Nobz , making them look weird with a power claw,or an Ork boy head. I would suggest you to buy a Nob box to get the extra claws(these are also different from the one in the Ork boyz set for a bigger variety) ,heads and bitz.

Now bodies for Nob bikes are mainly from the Nob Biker at th Bikers sprue and the ork boyz Nob (because the Nobs set has different way of gluing the bodies that won t work on a bike)

Chec out the sprues at the site before any purchase. Also here are my Nob  Bikers  for inspiration    http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=33144.msg498577#msg498577

[phillyt]

YEah, regular orks aren't going to work since they are WAY small by comparison.  Nob bikers need Nob bodies.  Like Mathi said, easiest way is to just get the nob body from the boyz box and replace those nobs with the Nob box.  The Nobs from the nob box are not two stage.

But again, prefer regular bikers, then nobs in a vehicle.  With the number of battlea cannons in armies, it is too dangerous to use nobbikers.  They pop way too easy and don't offer an enormous bump over normal bikers or nobs in a vehicle.

Phil