Topic: Empire Rumours?

[Odominus]

Just saw Harry from Warseer had posted this:

These are the Empire rumours pulled together:
I have tried to credit rumours to the original posters (when I made a note of it).
I will try and keep it updated as we hear more snippets.
Do let me know if I have missed anything.

... and remember ... these is just rumorz!

Rumours about the Timescale:

There are rumours of Empire in 2012 (I had them in June but also have them in Mar/April with a BIG "?")
There are rumours that some kits will arrive before the army book (as with VC) (Harry, Mirabeau, malladin.ben)
The rumour is the War altar kit arrives with a couple of characters before the rest. (Harry. malladin.ben)

Rumours about the Games developers/writters:

There is a rumour that Jervis and Jeremy Vetock are up to their bushy eyebrows and wire rimmed spectacles in this one. (Harry)

Rumours about the army:

Ulric is back on the menu.
Teutogen Guard are in. (ghost21)
Religion / the gods are more prominent. (Harry, ghost21, Mirbeau)
Theres also a sphere of influence so Sigmarites will not be affected by Priests of Ulric and Ulricans wont be affected by sigmaric priests...etc. Different gods priests have different abilities. Ulric are ‘frothing loonies’ and Morr focus on undead. Priests can impact on a units abilities when they join them. (ghost21).
There is a new focus on Morr. Priests of Morr, Knights of Morr, Garden of Morr, etc.

Rumours about models:

Empire will get 4 plastic kits and some plastic one piece characters as well as some old models being redone in finecast.

Rumours of Characters/Lords/Heroes

There are rumours that more named Elector counts will be availaible.
Marius Leitdorf will be re-released in Finecast.
Female sorceress/battle Wizard has been done. (Eldargal) (I assume a one piece plastic)
There is also a rumour about a priestess of Myrmidia (ghost21)

Rumours of Karl Franz OR Lord/Hero on Griffon.

There are rumours of a plastic Lord/Hero on a Griffon that could 'pass' as Karl Franz. (Harry)
There is a rumour that it IS Karl Franz. (which is an interesting development as this is the first time we have seen a special, named character as a plastic kit).
“The new plastic Empire hero on griffon is also supposed to be very nice” (hastings)

Rumours of a plastic War Altar (and something new?)

There are rumours of a dual plastic kit which makes a War Altar and something else. (Harry, hastings, ghost21, malladin.ben)
It is rumoured that the War Altar can be customised to make Sigmar, Ulric or Morr. (ghost21)
There is a rumour that it makes a War Altar and a War wagon.
There is a rumour that it makes a War Altar and a “College of Magic wizardlordmobile”. (NatTreehouse, Harry)

Rumours of new Warrior priests:

There are rumors of new warrior priests for Sigmar, Ulric, and Morr. (ghost21, malladin.ben)
There is a rumours of Warrior priest kit like the wizards kit.
These may be sculpts done for the plastic War Altar. (Rather than an additional kit or individual sculpts)
The Ulricians may just be finecast versions of the excellent ones from the storm of Chaos. (ghost21)
There is also a rumour about a priestess of Myrmidia (ghost21)

Rumours of Demi-Griffon knights.

There are rumours of Demi-Griffon knights. (Eldargal and others )

Rumours of Inner Circle knights:

There is a rumour of a new box of inner circle knights with lots of options for different orders.(ghost21)
This is the reason for no new knights. (ghost21)

There is a rumour that the Inner Circle Knights and Demi-griffon knights are the same dual kit.

Rumours of new Knights:

No new knights. (hastings)
Rumour of the sprue re-cut for the knights. (ghost21)
Rumour of individual Knightly Orders rather than redone generic set. (eldargal)
Rumour of new Knights of Morr. (Mirbeau and others )
Rumour of more packs like the blazing sun bits pack to customize the existing knights. (ghost21)

Rumours of a Nuln Siege Cannon:

Rumours of a BIG cannon. (Darnock via a birdy, ghost21)
Massive cannon used to defend the walls of Nuln. (Darnock via birdy)
The cannon is big … as big as the ogres …. Mock up had “Nuln” plastered on the front. (ghost21)
This was rumoured as part of the duel war alter kit. (Darnock via a birdy)
This has been poo pooed by others (hastings, NatTreehouse)

There are rumours of some things back from 4th edition: (ghost21)

These are the options:

- Individual Knightly Orders
- Reiksguard (foot)
- Kislev Horse Archers
- Kislev Winged Lancers
- Ogres
- Dwarfs
- Halflings (and Halfling Hot Pot)
- War Wagon
- and various named characters.

Rumours of Halflings (specifically):

There are rumours of a return of halflings. (eldargal, Harry, heihei)

Rumours of the War Wagon (specifically)

There is a rumour the War Wagon is back in the book with a combat, shooty or mixed option.(ghost21)

Exciting isn’t it?

[Zak]

  Bigger cannon we need one of those!! i love the war alter for wizard idea/warwagon ( yes i have three) Halflings welcome back, and some of the 4th edition troops!! YES!  new inner circle knights would be cool  all in all im looking forward to the new book coming some time next year 

[Prince Nuada]

You've got to love how vague it all is! 

[patsy02]

- Individual Knightly Orders
- Reiksguard (foot)
- Kislev Horse Archers
- Kislev Winged Lancers
- Ogres
- Dwarfs
- Halflings (and Halfling Hot Pot)
- War Wagon
- and various named characters.

[Phloop]

Warhammer Vets, please help me out here. Warwagon? Are we looking at our Sphinx/Arachnarok/Stonehorn equivilant here?

[Darknight]

War Wagon was older than any of those, and came from a different era of gaming; it was about the size of a chunky chariot and had six guys in the back with a bunch of complicated rules (but, back then, using twelve different types of dice was the mark of a REAL MAN).

Dunno what they are going to do with it this time around.

Quite excited about this sort of stuff; I am not sure how many of the new releases can find a place in my army, but I am certain there will be useful bitz for conversions and a healthy injection of inspiration. Looking forward to this indeed.

[Cursain]

I wasn't around when Teutogen Guard were an option to take.  What was so good about these troops?

Cursain

[Kulgan]

I know Teutogen Guard ( TG ) were roughly the same as Greatswords. The difference lay in some detail, must have been immune to psychology or something else. Can someone else fill in?

[Odominus]

I'm not sure how much bigger our cannons can get? Unless you use the 3" template instead of the ultimate line of thinness...

That would be so way overpowered lol!!

[Timbor]

I wasn't around when Teutogen Guard were an option to take.  What was so good about these troops?

Cursain

Teutogen guard were basically greatswords but with halberds instead of GW to my knowledge.  They are mostly revered so highly as the sculpts for the minis were considered among the best empire models ever produced (along with the kislev kossars).  As such, a return of these units is so exciting to many as it will a) give them a chance to use the lovely models once again with their intended rules and/or b) herald the re-release of the models so that more can be purchased.

Of course, GW could always do some resculpting of the models, but it would most likely end up with worse looking stuff.  That being said, I can't see them re-releasing teutogens or kossars in metal, so they would either have to convert them to plastic or finecrap...

[Darknight]

You've got to love how vague it all is! 

I heard a rumor there are rumors of rumors ....

"Yo dawg, I herd a rumor you liked speculation, so I put some speculation in your rumors so you can guess while you don't have the first idea what is going on."

[Prince Nuada]

Lol. 

[Zak]

War Wagon was older than any of those, and came from a different era of gaming; it was about the size of a chunky chariot and had six guys in the back with a bunch of complicated rules (but, back then, using twelve different types of dice was the mark of a REAL MAN).

Dunno what they are going to do with it this time around.

Quite excited about this sort of stuff; I am not sure how many of the new releases can find a place in my army, but I am certain there will be useful bitz for conversions and a healthy injection of inspiration. Looking forward to this indeed.

War wagon

[Phloop]

War Wagon was older than any of those, and came from a different era of gaming; it was about the size of a chunky chariot and had six guys in the back with a bunch of complicated rules (but, back then, using twelve different types of dice was the mark of a REAL MAN).

Dunno what they are going to do with it this time around.

Quite excited about this sort of stuff; I am not sure how many of the new releases can find a place in my army, but I am certain there will be useful bitz for conversions and a healthy injection of inspiration. Looking forward to this indeed.

War wagon

zOmg WANT!

[Prince Nuada]

The war wagon was superceeded by the steam tank.
The war wagon was just a charriot with a howdah-style fighting platform.
The first incarnation of the steam tank which replaced the war wagon had the option for a fighting platform.
The war altar is the current equivalent of a war wagon.
I honestly don't see it making a come-back.

[The Peacemaker]

The rumors all sound good until after the inner circle knight/demi griffon knights. After that its just speculation.

I'm mostly curious about this new knight kit. I was planning on making a unit of inner circle knights but I am having alot of problems with the models. My rider(s) look great but the horse makes it all look horrible.

No new state troops is slightly dissapointing. But I was kit bashing mine anyway and they look great.

Oh and I'm totally staying loyal to sigmar.

I do hope this 'religion' thing becomes a big theme for the army. Its basically our own lore of magic.

[Phloop]

The war wagon was superceeded by the steam tank.
The war wagon was just a charriot with a howdah-style fighting platform.
The first incarnation of the steam tank which replaced the war wagon had the option for a fighting platform.
The war altar is the current equivalent of a war wagon.
I honestly don't see it making a come-back.

If GW does a resculpt of the same quality of that new VC chariot thing they might as well take my money now.

[Uryens de Crux]

The Tuetogens can have just the same rules as greatswords I just want those figures. Hell I'll even buy finecrap to get them.

I may not bother if they resculpt

[Fandir Nightshade]

Teutogen guard had white wolf hammers granting them +1 S and letting them strike in Initative for additional points you could make them inner circle and thus upgrading them to S5 that don´t always strike last.

The first steam tank was from the moot:



I for my part would love to see the Van Zeppel come back to the empire army book



I hope for an adjustment of points and a return of a useful General/Elector count.

[Prince Nuada]

Amen to the Elector/General! 
Hopefully they can serve it without cheese.

[rufus sparkfire]

The war wagon was superceeded by the steam tank.

No it wasn't! They were released at the same time.

[Mathi Alfblut]

YESSS! Happy, happy, happy!

[Timbor]

Teutogen guard had white wolf hammers granting them +1 S and letting them strike in Initative for additional points you could make them inner circle and thus upgrading them to S5 that don´t always strike last.

= the same rules as having halberds.  Their halberds were just shaped like hammers 

[rufus sparkfire]

There's no need for teutogen guard. Bring back halflings instead!

[Uryens de Crux]

Do both!