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Offline Immovable Object

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Re: 40K
« Reply #675 on: October 03, 2010, 11:16:07 PM »
To be honest, I'd rather screw Dark Eldar than Tyranids.

What? Even with all those mis-shapen purple heads?






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Re: 40K
« Reply #676 on: October 04, 2010, 12:19:26 AM »
Does anyone else notice though that most 40k armies tend to be played as either purely shooting or purely assault?
I always prefer a nice mix of shooty and assault elements if my army is up to it. Which means that my CSM are mixed while my IG is pretty much pure shooting/psyker.

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« Reply #677 on: October 04, 2010, 03:33:34 PM »
I am doing a pure Black Templar army with extra banner bearers for Marks but no real loyalists.

I intend to do an Empire styled all around army that can face anything.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #678 on: October 05, 2010, 02:30:52 PM »
.... AAAnd The new Dark Eldar are up for preorder. I am pleasantly surprised by the prices! 15 pounds for boxes of 10 Kabbalite Warriors or 10 Wytches? That's pretty reasonable.

Also: Lelith. Wow. 4 profile Attacks that ignore AS, and she gets an extra attack for each point her WS is higher than her opponents. And her WS is 9. So if she charges a squad of marines that would be 10 attacks.  :icon_eek:

I like her.

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« Reply #679 on: October 05, 2010, 02:41:56 PM »
with no armour?


I would say shoot her...shoot her fast...with a double tap.

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« Reply #680 on: October 05, 2010, 02:58:54 PM »
That has always been the weakness of DE in general and Wytches in particular. They get a 4++ save in cc, but outside of it they only have a 6+. Still, good old Lelith should do pretty well leading a Wytch squad. I also like the fact that all splinter weapons now count as poisoned, so they wound everything on a 4+. Which make splinter rifles pretty damn fine standard guns in my opinion. Not as good against low T targets as a bolter, but much more versatile.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #681 on: October 05, 2010, 03:02:12 PM »
hmmm how about we try a small 40k game next time you come around I still havenīt played a single game in the latest edition.

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« Reply #682 on: October 05, 2010, 04:34:33 PM »
Sure man, no problem! I hardly played any 40k this year besides a tournament at the very beginning, so it's definitely time.

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« Reply #683 on: October 05, 2010, 06:03:13 PM »
I've been generally unhappy with the game's direction as of late. You have 3 scenarios. 2 involve capturing objectives with your troops(not your elites or the fast guys who can easily get to said objectives). Then you have the 3rd scenario, where every unit, from a guardsmen squad to a terminator squad is one "kill" point. Not only does this favor Marines(a small elite force whose units auto-rally) but it punishes you for taking the expendable troops you need to capture the objectives.

Between IG armies with minimal infantry(3 tanks per heavy support slot  :icon_mad:), assaulting deepstrikers(BA), armies that can take 4 HQs(SW) or get free HQs that come with squads(BA) the current environment just seems so alien to me, you know?
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Re: 40K
« Reply #684 on: October 05, 2010, 06:36:16 PM »
Right you buggers, you've done it. Because of all your talk of stompas and tanks and deepstrike maneuvers, I now feel the need to do a 40k army. I was just talking to somebody about traitor guard as it happens....

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« Reply #685 on: October 05, 2010, 07:03:36 PM »
I've been generally unhappy with the game's direction as of late. You have 3 scenarios. 2 involve capturing objectives with your troops(not your elites or the fast guys who can easily get to said objectives). Then you have the 3rd scenario, where every unit, from a guardsmen squad to a terminator squad is one "kill" point. Not only does this favor Marines(a small elite force whose units auto-rally) but it punishes you for taking the expendable troops you need to capture the objectives.

Between IG armies with minimal infantry(3 tanks per heavy support slot  :icon_mad:), assaulting deepstrikers(BA), armies that can take 4 HQs(SW) or get free HQs that come with squads(BA) the current environment just seems so alien to me, you know?
The system isn't perfect, but it is, in my opinion, by far the best iteration of 40K yet. You actually have to balance your armies. You have to take troops choices. You must have some mobile troops choices to capture objectives, you can't just turtle. You must make a decision between mass small, flexible units that will yield lots of KP and more stable, bigger units. I love it. And pretty much all 40K players I know consider it far superior to 4th edition.

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« Reply #686 on: October 05, 2010, 07:26:09 PM »
Looks like someone missed Planetstrike, Battlemissions, Cities of Death and Apokalypse...
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« Reply #687 on: October 05, 2010, 07:39:27 PM »

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Re: 40K
« Reply #688 on: October 05, 2010, 08:20:37 PM »
yeh, I really like them. and the 15 for 10 pricing is at least reasonable, as opposed to the 25 for 10 goldswords, goldigors, goldguard and goldlions.

Those had made me worried 25 for 10 was going to be the new base cost, which would have priced me out.
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« Reply #689 on: October 05, 2010, 08:26:04 PM »
I think I will start with a comfy 500 points or so once I'm reasonably satisfied wtih my Skaven. Something like 2 Raider squads of some kind and a Ravager. On another note: they're also apparently getting friggin' FIGHTER JETS. And BOMBERS. Not skimmers, flyers.

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« Reply #690 on: October 05, 2010, 10:26:09 PM »
40k seems to be cheaper than Fantasy.
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« Reply #691 on: October 06, 2010, 05:15:39 AM »
Looks like someone missed Planetstrike, Battlemissions, Cities of Death and Apokalypse...

I certainly wish people played those around here. You're right though, it's hardly GW's fault that most people around here want to just line their guys up and chase objectives instead of playing themed games.

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« Reply #692 on: October 06, 2010, 05:16:20 AM »
40k seems to be cheaper than Fantasy.

Not after you throw in a transport for every squad.  :icon_biggrin:
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« Reply #693 on: October 06, 2010, 07:50:40 AM »
You're right though, it's hardly GW's fault that most people around here want to just line their guys up and chase objectives instead of playing themed games.

Those books are the best thing about 40K just like the Warhammer Battles section in 8th is the best part about fantasy.
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« Reply #694 on: October 06, 2010, 08:40:57 AM »
IG is awesome sauce for the mission based 40k

you roll the missions with killpoints just merge your squads to 2*50 soldiers

you roll the mission for capturing you have easily 10 units units of 10 soldiers each to spread out on the battlefield.

Well all I talk is theory but I think IG is one of the top dogs and it makes sense to field as many meat bags as possibl.E!




Those Mandrakes look.....awesome!

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Re: 40K
« Reply #696 on: October 06, 2010, 12:28:45 PM »
They look more like "terror causing evil guys you donīt want to join your Imperial slay an alien party" than clowns.

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« Reply #697 on: October 06, 2010, 12:41:43 PM »
They're not supposed to be clowns. That would be the Harlequins. Which are also in the Codex, supposedly with identical stats to the ones in the Craftworld Eldar one.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251719_99110104113_Harlequintroupemain_873x627.jpg

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« Reply #698 on: October 06, 2010, 01:01:11 PM »
I like the whole Harlquin cult in the Eldar Background as the laughing god is my absolute favorite (too bad Loec has so little fluff in fantasy).

But I meant the old mandrakes

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1250305_99060112023_DEldarMandrakesmain_873x627.jpg

These guys qualify as clowns in my book

as do these

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1250300_99060112021_DEgrotesquesmain_873x627.jpg

just not evil enough....more comedy factor.

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« Reply #699 on: October 06, 2010, 03:01:17 PM »
Yep, the old DE range is pretty horrendous, with few exceptions (like the Raider and the Talos). But the new one really makes up for it.

Been keeping track of the news on Warseer, and some new interesting tidbits have arrived. Namely, your Archon can take a retinue that will be made up of different specialists. One of those can give the entire retinue poison that wounds on a 2+. Combine that with the Archons Huskblade (PW, instant death) and you have one scary, scary Character and MC killer.

Also, there will apparently be 2 versions of grotesques, one big, one small. The big ones will be in Ogryn territory with S5 T5 3W and FNP. Ouch! Apparently they need guidance from an IC though, because if they don't have that they can just die on a failed LD test (while lashing out to the nearest quad while doing so).

The Mandrakes apparently have infiltrate and stealth, and being the half DE, half Demons that they are can shoot fire from their hands at their opponents with S4 AP4 Assault 2. Ouch again.

I also like the pain token mechanism. If a DE unit kills off another unit, it gets a pain token. 1st token gives FNP, second one gives furious charge, third one gives fearless. There are alternative ways to build those tokens up as well, Haemunculi for example give squads they join a free one, and there is a Talos variant that can bestow pain tokens to nearby DE units when it kills stuff. There might be more, but this is already pretty huge. Standard Warriors alone with FNP would be a lot more threatening suddenly. And on Wytches it would be simply awesome. 4++ followed by FNP in cc is going to keep those gladiators alive for a looonng time.

And fnally, good ole Asdrubael Vect is rumored to be able to steal the initiative on a 4+. Neat.