Topic: Skaven rumors ( booo) End of Times, new pics + spoilers, Skaven 40k ?? WHAT!

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

but hey, most people play as though Storm of Chaos never happened.

That is because it never happened, since it was offcially rescinded.

[mottdon]

but hey, most people play as though Storm of Chaos never happened.

That is because it never happened, since it was offcially rescinded.

Oh was it?!?  I didn't know that.  Well, maybe they'll do that with all of this EoT stuff.   

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

One can hope.

[Syn Ace]

Don't see it happening. But a similar thing happened after the disastrous launch of New Coke, when Coca Cola reversed course, so why not?

[mottdon]

Fantasy is a world for dreamers anyway, isn't it.

[Ships]

Altdorf is gone guys. I got the book today and after Glottkin, the skaven surround the city and siege it. Valten and his army shows up and saves everyone, wanting to go to Averheim with Franz  and his army and some brets that survived, but is forced north by the skaven to Middenheim. Also, the countess Emanullle survives the attack on Nuln. The ironsides are also mentioned as a fluff unit, anyone who has read an end times book will get what I mean, from Tamurkhan, but likely all get killed when the city falls

[Xathrodox86]

Altdorf is gone guys. I got the book today and after Glottkin, the skaven surround the city and siege it. Valten and his army shows up and saves everyone, wanting to go to Averheim with Franz  and his army and some brets that survived, but is forced north by the skaven to Middenheim. Also, the countess Emanullle survives the attack on Nuln. The ironsides are also mentioned as a fluff unit, anyone who has read an end times book will get what I mean, from Tamurkhan, but likely all get killed when the city falls

Is it just me, or are the Skaven the winning race so far? They've wrecked Lustria, Tilea, Estalia, Border Princes, Bretonnia, The South of the Empire, Altdorf, many dwarven holds and they've offed Valten and Thorgrim. Kind of an overkill, if you ask me. One may wonder why do we need Chaos anymore, if there are some big rats around?

[Sig]

It would make sense to push skaven, they're very good villains for the setting and the most unique concept GW have, with a very strong aesthetic. The Horned Rat keeps saying that the Skaven will Inherit, so it's likely the "bubble" that is the remains of the Old World will simply be a rat warren, Skaven territory.

[Baron von Klatz]

A very possible outcome Sig, however, by doing so much damage to the warhammer world the Skaven have sustained massive casualties while the forces of chaos have lost barely anything at all and the forces of undeath gain from the losses of everyone. By the time of the next book, when Archaon makes his move, I think the Skaven will be in a very poor situation.

Also, nice to know about the remaining Bretonnians and the ironsides. Any bets that if Karl Franz falls in battle we may see a Empress Emmanuelle rise to power?

[Ships]

Skaven fight so many wars they end up losing so many soldiers they are forced to join with Archaon, because they can't stand up to him. Also, it's not entirely clear how Bretonnia is doing and what the Skaven impact is there. Skaven, from what the book shows, aren't becoming part of the chaos army, as it's more an alliance out of convenience as they can't conquer the world and fight chaos at the same time. If chaos gets beaten as they are sure to do the Skaven will likely turn on them.

Skaven has wrecked alot of places but they don't seem to have the armies to hold their conquered land. I get the feeling that if the combined Elves went after them the elves could conquer large parts of the world. I think there is a difference to beating an army and conquering a land then there is to simply win a few battles, as people can just rebuild.

Edit: Also Baron, I think the person who has the most power is who ever is in control of Averland, and they could be the next Emperor, as Averland hasn't done too badly and is one of the richest provinces, with the most powerful city, Averheim, left standing in the empire.

[Zak]

Re: Warhammer - And Now For Something Completely Different
Quote Originally Posted by Malagor View Post

Well I think me and others here have stated that we would be fine with a new game, a low points game to get people hooked on fantasy.
 The thing is tho, what about support for 8e ? That's the key thing.
What if the releases for 8th edition carried on unchanged. If all remaining army book projects were completed? ..Harry
 
 Quote Originally Posted by BramGaunt View Post
Of course, it's possible, but it would contradict several rumours, as part of the range dropping.

What if people has mis-interpreted the rumours?
 What if they heard just six factions and assumed that MUST mean huge chunks of the range being dropped.
 Mordheim only have about six warbands when it started? ...Harry

 

[Darknight]

What if GW found out who Harry was, killed and ate him, but are releasing entirely trolling rumors under his name?

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

Sounds plausible.

[Zak]

What if GW found out who Harry was, killed and ate him, but are releasing entirely trolling rumors under his name?

  poor Harry

[Xathrodox86]

What if GW found out who Harry was, killed and ate him, but are releasing entirely trolling rumors under his name?

  poor Harry

Alas poor Harry, I knew him well...

[warhammerlord_soth]

Now we're left with only William....

[Finlay]

What if GW found out who Harry was, killed and ate him, but are releasing entirely trolling rumors under his name?

This really made me laugh. Kill AND ate. Damn son.

[Ambrose]

Personally I would love to see Mordenheim rebooted.  The End Times is a perfect setting for this (without bubbles).

I can't see them throwing away 25+ years of a game.  I think GW wants to add new things to fantasy, but they tend to stick with what they have done with changes.  We see this in each of our army books.  A change here, a change there.  Tweek here, a tweek there, but the armies are still there.

Ambrose

[WoT]

Mordheim was my favourite spin off game, I'd love it if they supported it again.

[Syn Ace]

I can't see them throwing away 25+ years of a game.  I think GW wants to add new things to fantasy, but they tend to stick with what they have done with changes.  We see this in each of our army books.  A change here, a change there.  Tweek here, a tweek there, but the armies are still there.

Ambrose

I like your optimism, Ambrose, and I hope you're right. But they're doing a pretty good job of burning down a lot of what they built up in that 25+ years.

[Baron von Klatz]

Edit: Also Baron, I think the person who has the most power is who ever is in control of Averland, and they could be the next Emperor, as Averland hasn't done too badly and is one of the richest provinces, with the most powerful city, Averheim, left standing in the empire.

The problem with that is that Averland is lacking an Elector count. The novels "Sword of justice" and "Sword of vengeance" expand much further on the subject but Averland has no ruler at the moment with the population not pushing to find one as the lack of a count means less taxes and levies being raised. Marius Leitdorf was the last Elector count of the province and if it was not for several other political factions then his heir would have become the Elector count.

Re: Warhammer - And Now For Something Completely Different
Quote Originally Posted by Malagor View Post

Well I think me and others here have stated that we would be fine with a new game, a low points game to get people hooked on fantasy.
 The thing is tho, what about support for 8e ? That's the key thing.
What if the releases for 8th edition carried on unchanged. If all remaining army book projects were completed? ..Harry
 
 Quote Originally Posted by BramGaunt View Post
Of course, it's possible, but it would contradict several rumours, as part of the range dropping.

What if people has mis-interpreted the rumours?
 What if they heard just six factions and assumed that MUST mean huge chunks of the range being dropped.
 Mordheim only have about six warbands when it started? ...Harry

 

Many thanks for the rumors Zak.

[Sig]

I think one thing that should be said is that Archaon didn't really achieve much. He didn't kill Valten - the Skaven did that. He probably would have, but been in pretty bad shape. He didn't kill Ulric - Teclis did that. Teclis confronted Ulric within the caverns below Middenheim, and stole his Flame - which Ulric claimed "destroyed" him. Urlic put the very last scraps of power he had left in Gregor Martak, but it was just the "bitter remnants of a dying god".

So Archaon took Middenheim after marching through a deserted Empire, killing neither the human nor divine protector himself. It will be interesting to see if he actually does achieve anything notable himself when this is all over.

[Xathrodox86]

I think one thing that should be said is that Archaon didn't really achieve much. He didn't kill Valten - the Skaven did that. He probably would have, but been in pretty bad shape. He didn't kill Ulric - Teclis did that. Teclis confronted Ulric within the caverns below Middenheim, and stole his Flame - which Ulric claimed "destroyed" him. Urlic put the very last scraps of power he had left in Gregor Martak, but it was just the "bitter remnants of a dying god".

So Archaon took Middenheim after marching through a deserted Empire, killing neither the human nor divine protector himself. It will be interesting to see if he actually does achieve anything notable himself when this is all over.

So far he's been given every victory on a plate. The Glottkin softened up the Empire for him, now the Skaven are doing all the killing... It's an anticlimax, if you ask me. I hope that he'll get to see some action in his own book...

As for the 9th and the 6 armies... I agree that they could add more stuff, but let's face it. With WFB selling as weak as it is, will GW really want to add new armies to a game that potentialy won't sell? Especially if it'll be Lizards, one of the least popular faction (which is a shame really).

[FVC]

That is because it never happened, since it was offcially rescinded.

Well, it happened, obviously. I saw it happen, I remember being part of it, and I have the books and WDs and other physical evidence that it happened. Games Workshop have decided to ignore it for the purposes of new material, though.

Might as well treat the End Times the same way, you know?

I think one thing that should be said is that Archaon didn't really achieve much. He didn't kill Valten - the Skaven did that. He probably would have, but been in pretty bad shape. He didn't kill Ulric - Teclis did that. Teclis confronted Ulric within the caverns below Middenheim, and stole his Flame - which Ulric claimed "destroyed" him. Urlic put the very last scraps of power he had left in Gregor Martak, but it was just the "bitter remnants of a dying god".

Did GW ever make any attempt to explain why gods would be dying? It's not as if there was anything prior to End Times: Nagash suggesting that 2520 or 2522 or whatever the current year is supposed to be is an especially difficult time, and neither do any major historical or cosmological events seem to have occurred. What makes now any worse than the Great War Against Chaos or the Black Death or the time of Sigmar? Ulric did not seem any weaker than usual before this or in any prior canon. Ulric was just fine in the Storm of Chaos.

So did GW ever explain why all the gods they can think of are now suddenly puny? Why are all the evil gods suddenly superpowered and the good gods suddenly either morally bankrupt idiots (re: Asuryan) or having utter nonsense written about them (re: the Lady) or inconsistent with prior canon (re: Shallya) or just plain weak and frail (re: Ulric). It seems like the sort of thing that requires explanation, you know?

[Sig]

Ulric had his power stolen, he didn't seem any weaker until that point. Teclis had the power of the Light wind, and used his strength to steal the flame. Honestly if Teclis hadn't done that, it's highly likely he would have been fine and Chaos would have had a bad time. Teclis called Ulric selfish and said that he  needed his power to raise up a hero.

Asuryan and Shallya I don't see any reasons for. It just seems like very poor writing. Asuryan is simply inexplicable other than a writer who simply hates the concept of deities and is allowing that to roll over into his writing.

The Lady is them trying to add in a twist. I don't mind it, others obviously do. To me it doesn't really invalidate anything about Bretonnia. So their Goddess had another name, so what?

The Chaos gods have been written as the mightiest gods ever since I began playing, though they really ramped it up in 6th edition. I don't see any change there at all. We'll see how mighty they are when Nagash tries to eat them, and Teclis raises up his hero.